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ST Tropes: 5 man band and 5 bad band in Force Awakens

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by cerealbox, Aug 6, 2016.

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  1. cerealbox

    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    Obviously the OT is a good model for the 5 man band archetype. As each member corresponds to the basics i.e. hero: Luke, Lancer: Han, etc.

    I talked to my friend about this and telling him this no longer applies to TFA and that they're doing something different. My friend disagrees and said TFA also follows the 5 man band trope and starts a 5 BAD band trope too. My friends states the following, but do you guys agree?

    5 man band
    Hero: Rey
    Lancer: Finn
    Big guy: still Chewie
    kid appeal character: BB-8
    sixth ranger: Poe
    Supposedly Han and Maz keep trading off between Smart Guy and Mentor

    5 bad band
    The Big Bad: Snoke
    The Dragon: Kylo Ren
    The Evil Genius: Hux with Starkiller and all that
    The Brute: FN-2199 aka TR-8R who likes to get his hands dirty
    The Dark Chick: Phasma because she doesn't get her hands dirty like a brute would. Also because her most distinguish trait is that she's a women on the bad side.



    Edit: Also Leia is still considered The Chick but is upgraded to The Big Good.
     
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    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    I just wanted to add to the above, Phasma is considered "the Dark Chick" because of her differentiating attitude when it comes to the First Order.
    While Kylo Ren, Hux and the Stormtroopers are maniacal, megalomaniacs and fanatics. She is more stoic in demeanor. One of the few traits the film gives her.
     
  3. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Are tropes that well known that you can start with "obviously"?

    I think you should have some paragraphs explaining the categories, or at the very least, a link to tvtropes before dropping the mic'.

    I mostly know what you are talking about, and even to me, a Lancer is just a class of frigate that has no business being in a space fight.
     
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    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    Ok. So taking Sith-I-5 advice. I've posted links to the corresponding
    5 man band tropes page so people can understand the description. Since the OT characters fit the tropes to a tee, I'll start with them, then you can decide if the ST characters fit the descriptions as well.

    OT
    Hero: Luke http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHero
    Lancer: Han http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer
    the Chick: Leia http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick
    the Big Guy: Chewie http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy
    the Smart Guy: the Droids http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy
    the mentor: Obi Wan http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MentorArchetype?from=Main.TheObiWan
    the sixth ranger aka latecomer: Lando http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger
    The OT guys pretty much set the standard of what is described as a five man band http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveManBand for an action fiilm.

    Now we get the the ST, where its kind of twisted around. The main characters aren't really a team yet. But for the purposes of the Force Awakens, my friend identifies the following

    Hero: Rey http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHero
    Lancer: Finn http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer
    Big guy: still Chewie http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy
    kid appeal character: BB-8 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KidAppealCharacter
    sixth ranger aka latecomer: Poe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger
    Han has evolved pass the Lancer. And now he and Maz keep trading between the Mentor and the Smart Guy
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MentorArchetype?from=Main.TheObiWan
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy

    Now it gets more interesting because TFA gives us a bad guy ensemble
    5 bad band http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveBadBand
    The Big Bad: Snoke http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad
    The Dragon: Kylo Ren http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDragon
    The Evil Genius: Hux with Starkiller and all that http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilGenius
    The Brute: FN-2199 aka TR-8R who likes to get his hands dirty, is a mook and dim enough to fight without a blaster http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBrute
    The Dark Chick: Phasma because she doesn't get her hands dirty like a brute would. Also because her most distinguish trait is her differentiating attitude when it comes to the First Order. She is stoic compared to the maniacal, megolomanic and fanatics of the FO. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkChick

    Also Leia is still considered The Chick but is upgraded to The Big Good. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigGood

    No doubt once BDT, KMT and Laura Dern come in to the sequels, the tropes descriptions will change as well. Obviously Luke has taken Han's spot as the mentor.
     
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    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Okay, well that is progress, and at least it shows that you are willing to take advice. I would have preferred you do explanations yourself, rather than requiring participants to go away and do homework.

    An underlying message of my intervention is that you should not assume that just because you know something, that everyone else does too. Am I supposed to know who or what BDT and KMT are?

    * Clicks on "Lancer" and goes away to do ******* homework. :mad:*

    Edit: Okay, yeah; Finn is definitely the Lancer.
     
  6. cerealbox

    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    BDT= Benecio Del Toro
    KMT= Kelly Marie Tran
     
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