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Twice as long as half of it: the size of the Super Star Destroyer

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Thrawn McEwok, Jun 9, 2005.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    GrandAdmiralJello! :eek: [face_shame_on_you]

    Imperial philosophy - Bigger is Better. So yes, by that logic, a command ship needs to be big, and grand and needlessly so.

    But ISDs are easily destroyed, in the context of war with Mon Cal Star Cruisers on the opposing side - its not a full-proof vessel. It needs updating.

    Yes, 'mentioned' but not explicitly designed for Fleet Killing, unless you can find a quote.
     
  2. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    Sinrebirth: One could easily note that the Executor, once a 5-mile ship, is now a 19km ship, so its sisters should in turn have had the enlargement.

    If we follow the logic that's led to the retconn, the Ex was always 19km - there's no other reason to say she's that size; ergo in 8km references, the Empire was just lying. "Ex is five miles long" falls in the same category as "Torpedo spheres are just designed for the precision purpose of taking out shields, not for BDZs"...

    There is little point in having two ships with the same fighter capacity, for one, when one is huuuge.

    You fit stuff where it fits. Nebbie-Bs carry as many TIEs as VSDs... :p

    And, for most opinions, the Executor was designed to be a command ship, not a fleet killer. Its a happy add-on that it can be, EH.

    The Ebruchi command ship in Command Decision is a "command ship". Dammit, Springhawk is a command ship.

    Springhawk vs. Executor. That would be too funny. :p

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  3. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "Yes, 'mentioned' but not explicitly designed for Fleet Killing, unless you can find a quote."

    Taken from the EGtVV Imperial Star Destroyer entry:

    "...Star Destroyer commanders can engage entire fleets and still expect victory."

    :)
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    EH_Pilot

    Just because a vessel is called a 'Star Destroyer' does not mean its objective is the same as its lesser sisters.

    Its like saying that because a Victory-class SD can land on a planet, so should, by defination, an Imperator or Executor.

    It can 'act' as an escort frigate, or a destroyer, or a cruiser, but it has a primary function.

    Thrawn McEwok

    "If we follow the logic that's led to the retconn, the Ex was always 19km - there's no other reason to say she's that size; ergo in 8km references, the Empire was just lying. "Ex is five miles long" falls in the same category as "Torpedo spheres are just designed for the precision purpose of taking out shields, not for BDZs"..."

    Well, yes, though I believe there's a difference there - a Torpedo sphere, though perhaps designed to take down systems, can act as in a BDZ-role by virtue of its design.

    And yes, Nebbie-B's carrying those numbers is a major arguement point for people - it may change, I suspect, but not soon. Are you saying, Ewok, that the Executor could only carry 144 fighters, because thats all what fits?
     
  5. Kudzu

    Kudzu Jedi Knight star 5

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    It seems pretty clear that it's talking about the ImpStar there, considering that VicStars, EclipSSDs, and ExecSSDs have separate entries in that book.
     
  6. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    I recall a quote about SSDs something to the effect of: "The ships could be defeated by a fleet of less expensive ships, though alwyas at an extreme cost of life"

     
  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, I remember that. Wasn't it in Wedge's Gamble?

    After the NR had beaten the Terror, the Fondor SSD, the Vengeance, the Executor and the Guardian..... I'd say they knew what they were saying.

    So we have a quote that says SSDs are a waste of money, in context.
     
  8. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, the less expensive may refer to the NR design philosophy of smaller, cheaper ships with equal gunnery power, such as the Republic class being half the cost of the ISD II...
     
  9. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "Just because a vessel is called a 'Star Destroyer' does not mean its objective is the same as its lesser sisters."

    No, but we can assume that if a ship one 1/18th it's size and 1/10th its firepower can engage entire fleets and win, it can too :)

    But this is getting repetitive. You reationalize this by some terriblely stupid flaw in it's design that reduces it to nothing more than a coastal battleship.
     
  10. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The Fonder SSD needs a name.
     
  11. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    "But this is getting repetitive. You reationalize this by some terriblely stupid flaw in it's design that reduces it to nothing more than a coastal battleship."

    It isn't a definate flaw for a single class - munitions and supplies are problems for normal vessels as well. Fact.

    Yes, it does, Jello, any takers?

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  12. Darth_Culator

    Darth_Culator Jedi Master star 2

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    His Imperial Majesty's Starship Lollipop.

    She was a good ship.
     
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