Two totally different takes on Hayden

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  1. Jedilisa Jedi Master

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    And yes, he backs off when asked to, but he is still in her presence and thus hope remains. Especially since SHE keeps sending him such mixed messages....

    The whole situation is unhealthy, and I suspect GL wishes us to see that.

    IMO. If I remember correctly and tell me if I am wrong, He is with her all the time because he is there to protect her after her assasination attempt. She sends him mixed messages because she herself is falling in love with him,she feels a strong attraction for him(if you read the book you should know).But, she tells him to back-off because she feels her duties come first and she has no time to waste on her personal life.I disagree the situation is not "Unhealthy", but, is "Healthy".What George Lucas wanted us to see is the relationship between anakin and padme,how it develops ,Anakin and Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palpatine. After all, we have to remember he is still a young boy who grew up without his mom,whom he missed terribly.A boy who has had a thing for padme since he was 9 yrs. old. He,at that age,found her beautiful and smart hence the phrase/question "Are you an angel"(when anankin first sees Padme).Padme, you could say, took the role of his protector,after he left Tatooine.So, he has a connection with her. He knew at that age he was going to marry her, he told her himself.When he saw her again,he did not want to loose her and obviously she was not the only thing he thought of in the last ten years, He also thought of his mother,and how much he missed her and loved her.I think Anakins relationship with Padme is one of beauty and based on love,respect.
  2. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    What Arriss and Jedilisa said. Definitely not a stalker. I've been around stalkers. I wish I had five dollars for every time I've said this, but evidently people are going to believe what they want to believe about Anakin because they don't want him to get Padme.

    BTW--my husband walked up behind me when I was typing one of my posts today, and said, "Anakin is a stalker? You have got to be kidding me." He actually started laughing.

    Punisher: If Anakin imagining Padme naked is considered "stalking," there are a hell of a lot of stalkers out there. I thought men enjoyed imagining women naked, and that's why Playboy magazine sells so well.

    My vote: inexperienced kid, very passionately in love and has no idea what to do about it. Stares at Padme because he can't keep his eyes off of her; however, has enough respect for her to back off when she tells him to.

    Female, born in North Carolina, military brat, lived in 10 cities in 30 years, have now returned to North Carolina.
  3. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    Any male here who says they honestly wouldn't imagine Padme naked at any point in their lives is completely nuts :D
  4. Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    anakin-girl,

    Two points, 1) I married a stalker. Guy didn't turn into a stalker until we broke up and I filed for divorce. 20 years later, still carries torch for me.

    2) Anakin HAS Padme, they're married!

    Lady Sami
  5. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    ST: I knew there was a reason I liked you. :D I love the honesty. ;)

    Lady_Sami_J: I'm sorry you ended up married to your stalker. I was engaged to mine. He became stalker-ish when I told him I wouldn't give up my college education for him. And I'll add, he was a hell of a lot scarier than Anakin ever thought about being. I don't want to put details here, but he was very violent.

    Anakin wasn't. Staring at someone isn't stalking. And we can't argue Episode III because it has no relevance here. I personally don't think Anakin will ever hurt Padme, but again, this isn't the place to argue it--we'd need to take it to the Episode III boards. (And quite frankly, I'm not sure I've got the energy tonight. I've been fighting a lynch mob on that Hayden thread all day.)
  6. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    I just tell it like it is ;)
  7. The_Abstract Force Ghost

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    ITA with anakin_girl on this issue.

    If what Anakin did is considered stalking, then 99% of the world's population of males can all go to jail right now.

    Maybe you missed that whole part on Tatooine where he didn't even pay any attention to her because his mother is in trouble.

    Or maybe you missed the times he saved her life and protected her.

    I mean, if I saved a girl's life on numerous occassions I'd expect her to be a little kind to me, and maybe tolerate one of my futile attempts at trying to woo her.


    What the hell does a brotha got a do to talk to girl?


    I'd like to see Punisher bust out his A-game.

    ;)



    Male, born in New Orleans, lives in DC.
  8. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    The_Abstract: You rock. :)

    I mean, if I saved a girl's life on numerous occassions I'd expect her to be a little kind to me, and maybe tolerate one of my futile attempts at trying to woo her.

    LOL--yeah, I'd say so.

    What the hell does a brotha got a do to talk to girl?

    Don't worry--most of us can tolerate a little staring. ;)
  9. Punisher Jedi Master

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    Sorry, I have seen Natalie topless, to quote Leia in TESB "There's not much there."
    everything else just looks the same.
    Excuse me, now that I've brought THAT up...
    DON'T ASK FOR A LINK. I DON'T HAVE THE PIXS!
    THEY USED TO BE ON A BRITISH TABLOID SITE!!
    I DON'T KNOW THE SITE ANYMORE!!!

    Okay... whew.

    I'm not going into this again, since "stalker" is the wrong word... he is unnaturally obssessed.

    Well, I read it for the articles. [face_laugh]

    Actually, I don't... I mean, I don't feel the need to freak out over (Beavis and Butt-head time) NAKED CHICKS, especially those I will never have.
    In the end, it's just ink on paper, the pornography is in the MIND.


    I'm more apt to go after Leia than Padme. She's more my kind of lady & she's got kinky taste in bikinis. ;)



  10. Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    Abs,

    What's a brotha gotta do to talk to a girl?

    You could try what my sister's boyfriend did. He smiled at her every day for a month across a room. Then he approached her to ask her out. He stared at his shoes and shuffled his feet back and forth. She said yes. They're still together.

    Lady Sami
  11. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Lady_Sami_J: Sounds like how my husband and I got together. :)

    I tease him about how he could have approached me a little more quickly though...I don't bite...at least when I'm not on the JC. :D
  12. Punisher Jedi Master

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    Well, Anakin was supposed to protect, not leer at her or make moves on her... I didn't see the Jedi Council saying THAT was in the mandate. ;)

    The issue was, as a Jedi, Anakin isn't supposed to be leering, kissing, confessing his love, or marrying anyone.
    I'm sure the Jedi have a reason for this, much like the 2 SITH RULE.

    Actually, I don't make moves on people. I'm not married or interested in getting into any relationship. I sure as HELL am not going to build up a girl based on fantasy in my head for 10 years and then try to "seduce" her in a "nice" way like that.
    IMHO.
  13. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    The issue was, as a Jedi, Anakin isn't supposed to be leering, kissing, confessing his love, or marrying anyone.

    And that was the dumbest rule the Jedi ever made, but that's a topic for another thread.

    And I have had guys look at me the way Anakin looked at Padme, and I didn't consider it "leering;" I certainly didn't consider it "stalking," especially once I said in a nice way that I wasn't interested and they backed off--which is the same thing Anakin did.
  14. Arriss Force Ghost

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    And I have had guys look at me the way Anakin looked at Padme, and I didn't consider it "leering;" I certainly didn't consider it "stalking," especially once I said in a nice way that I wasn't interested and they backed off--which is the same thing Anakin did.

    AG - I've dealt w/this also and when I let the guy know "not interested" they fade away. Anakin does the same thing. If he were so 'obsessed' he would continue his pursuit instead of reining it in. He has respect for the woman who holds his heart in thrall & will do "anything she asks"

    Edit: Punisher - if you disliked the acting & parts of the movie so much why did you see it 3 times? (I believe that's what you posted)
  15. PLO_KOON_DUDE Jedi Knight

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    I dont nessicarily think it was the dumbest rule for the jedi........love and marriage cause attachment (which is forbidan as you know) and this is forbidden because once u are attahced to someone/thing then you care more about that then your jedi duties.
    They could use the attachemnet as blackmail, and if anything came to harm them then it could piss a jedi off VERY bad Aniakns love over Padme rather then Duty to Jedi is what i think ultimattly causes his turn to the dark side.
  16. Jedilisa Jedi Master

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    Actually, I don't make moves on people. I'm not married or interested in getting into any relationship. I sure as HELL am not going to build up a girl based on fantasy.

    Okay..That whole paragraph explains a whole lot of S@#t.In those three sentences alone..It says a whole lot about you. This explains why you keep on saying things about Anakin and the way he approaches Padme. You can't possibly relate because you, yourself has stated you don't make moves on people. So, why even comment on things you obviously don't know. I mean, I am just wondering. And as for the "Fantasy Girl"..What is Princess Lea..I believe she is a character and she does not exist, so technically, as you have stated that you rather see her naked,she has better kinky taste in bikini's.... you're fantasizing about a "Fantasy" Girl.
  17. Obi-Can Jedi Knight

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    However, I personally DO think he is also dangerously obsessive with Padme, and I find it hard to fathom how some people view his intentions and actions as romantic, when every internal alarm I have went off the moment he started going on about how he had been thinking about he every moment for the last ten years and dreaming about her.

    Lagniappe ,
    I agree with this 100%. His behavior while on Coruscant shows that Anakin has some problems, which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here. The leers IMO are exactly as Punisher described them. "I am imagining your clothes off right now and thinking about what I want to do to you". Not respectful what-so-ever.

    It's not the behavior that a sophisticated senator would react favorably to. It actually reminded me of my high-school days dealing with overly-aggressive jocks who didn't have a clue.

    Perhaps I'm niave and older than the rest of you (35), but don't tell me his behavior is normal and charming in today's dating circles. Leers and relentless pursuit aren't acceptable by anyone's standards. I hope anyway.

    Shy is always very cute. However, I like the flirtatious type myself, but that's not how I would describe Anakin's technique.
  18. TokyoXtreme Jedi Master

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    This thread is hilarious. What are you all going to say in Episode III, when young Darth Vader (before the mask), violently force slaps Padme across the face, then comes in an hour later with a bouquet of flowers? Well, I guess you'll all have to say you were wrong, huh?

    Sweet justice.
  19. Punisher Jedi Master

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    WOW! I didn't realize I was so POPULAR! :eek:
    You guys want to know about movie movie viewing habits and my social life! [face_blush]

    Well, let's see, first I did see AOTC 3 times...

    1. Opening night with my friends. (I'm sure like most fans did) :)
    2. The second showing was with my family. (The SW films come out close to my birthday and my family and I always go see them together. AWWWW, isn't that sweet.) [face_love]
    3. I wanted to see it in DIGITAL! (IS THAT SO WRONG!?) :mad:

    See, I had reasons for going 3 times. The first two are expected. Hopefully everyone will be happy, alive and nearby, so I can see Ep.3 with my parents and my friends. I would have stopped after two, but there was a digital theater in the area, and I wanted to see the difference it made compared to the film version.
    The DIGITAL version was MUCH better. :)

    Second, I was making jokes about the Playboys, Ani's Girl was having some fun, why can't I? :confused:
    The Princess Leia comment... I was making a sarcastic remark (see ;) )
    Obviously, that is a fictional character, I can't ask Leia out on a date can I? DUH! 8-}
    I wonder if Wonder Woman is available? ;)


    Third, I didn't know this was a DATING board? ;)
    Even though it is none of anyone's business.. I'll elaborate.

    I, like most people in my age range (near 30), don't feel like getting married or having a serious relationship yet. Too many people rush into things without being prepared financially or emotionally... I don't want to be like most people and have a divorce or two by the time I'm 35, because I didn't choose wisely.
    I haven't met THE person yet. I may never or I might find her tommorrow... that is out of my hands.
    I'm not going to clubs every night to find Ms.RIGHT or Ms.RIGHT NOW, that's not the way I like to do things...

    I don't make MOVES on people. WHY? See above.. & below..
    I don't feel it's my place to seduce women just to split on them due to fear of commitment or bragging rights,I don't want to have children without being married, I don't want to get AIDS or some disease because I let my _______ or my hormones do the thinking.
    Even though I don't show it here, I have respect for people in the real world, why ---- up someone's life because I'm being irresponsible.
    I have worked in clubs and social environments, THAT, to me, is not the way to find a girlfriend or a future mate. So when you say "putting on moves", that is what leaps into MY mind, because that is what I have seen when that phrase is used.
    "Making moves" to me is trying to come off as you really aren't, not a good way to start a relationship, IMO.
    I don't "make moves", I ask people out. :)Have some respect. :mad:

    I'm sure the women & girls will be all "AWWWW!" & the guys & boys will be "What a load of ______!"
    I don't really care, if you believe me or not. [face_plain]
    One of the important points in life, I think, is to learn from people's mistakes, I don't want to be a dead-beat Dad, a ------ -- ---- that ran out on a pregnant girl, a guy that disrespects marriage, or a AIDS statistic. You can respect that or not. [face_plain]

    No, I can't relate, I don't fantasize about girls I knew when I was 9 yrs. old, hoping I would run into them 10 years later so I can act like a "akward teen" and marry them (READ: OBSESSED PSYCHO!)! [face_plain]
    For all I know, they may be obese chain-smoking alcholics! :eek:
    SW is a fantasy... only in movies would the two people as kids, grow up to be successful, handsome looking individuals.
    To believe that happens in real life, is like believing a middle aged housewife that looks like Rosanne (before all the work! Okay, even AFTER the work) with 4 kids is going to land Brad Pitt, not Homer Simpson. (only in movies) ;)
    [Even though, I might be able to write a script from that idea... I wonder if Roseanne would do it?] ;)


    Finally, The Jedi rule about marriage... the closest thing we have in real life is the Priest/Monk... they aren't allowed to marry because of THEIR commitment to
  20. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Punisher: The heat emulating off your post is enough to start a forest fire. Chill.

    As far as Anakin being an "obsessed psycho"--the obsessed psycho who was after me called me upwards of ten times a day threatening suicide, threw me against a brick wall, and came after me with a knife--among other things--no need for me to tell the whole story here. Until Anakin does those things or something similar, he's not an "obsessed psycho." Period.

    If staring at someone or thinking about someone constantly makes a person an "obsessed psycho", then there are a lot more obsessed psychos in the world than there are normal people--and I feel sorry for anyone out there who has fallen madly, passionately in love because someone, somewhere is probably ready to have them committed to a psychiatric hospital.

    In order to get some perspective, some of you need to quite thinking of Anakin as Darth Vader. That hasn't happened yet--that's in the next episode. Right now, he's just a normal kid who is deeply in love and has no clue how to handle himself.

    And as far as you not making moves on people, that's your business, and no one can fault you for your choices--but there's nothing wrong with Anakin making moves on Padme if he's interested in her. It's different for different people. I'm also 30, and I've been married eight years--and I did my share of dating around--and "making moves on people"--before then.
  21. Jedilisa Jedi Master

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    two people as kids, grow up to be successful, handsome looking individuals.
    To believe that happens in real life, is like believing a middle aged housewife that looks like Rosanne (before all the work! Okay, even AFTER the work) with 4 kids is going to land Brad Pitt, not Homer Simpson. (only in movies)

    Okay..I respect your opinion Punisher and you are right your personal life is your business alone,but like what Ani-Girl said,Chill. I just have to comment on that (see above). I know for a fact... people who have had a thing for each other since they where kids..one moved away did not see each other for years..met again in college..fell in love..got married and still are married and they are both good looking people. So, it does happen in real life,not only in the movies(if we are talking in movies in general and not only star wars).As far as Anakin goes..He is definitely not a stalker, he is just a cute...He is willing to sacrifice everything to be with Padme and so is she, That is love.
  22. Lagniappe Jedi Master

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    Jedilisa: " If I remember correctly and tell me if I am wrong, He is with her all the time because he is there to protect her after her assasination attempt."

    Yes, but that does not negate that he is with her all the time...the WHY is not important...what is important is that we do not know how he would have reacted if she had sent him away (not that she could.) His behavior in other situations in which his will is thwarted suggests he would not have taken it well.

    "She sends him mixed messages because she herself is falling in love with him,she feels a strong attraction for him(if you read the book you should know)."

    True again, but she is still sending him mixed messages. Again, knowing the WHY of the situation does not negate that is occurs.

    "I disagree the situation is not "Unhealthy", but, is "Healthy"."

    I beg to differ. Even Anakin and Padme realize that they are getting into something they shouldn't....the whole point of the fireplace scene? Anakin is being torn between his feelings for Padme and his comittment to the Jedi. Padme is being torn between her duty and Anakin. They get married in secret for a reason - because they know people will not approve. They have to hide their relationship. Not a healthy situaion at all.


    "I think Anakins relationship with Padme is one of beauty and based on love,respect."

    I think Anakin's realtionship with Padme is based upon fantasies created by a boy who has not seen her in ten years. He really does not KNOW her at all...and she is so alone she does not know what she wants. She becomes an enabler for his anger and frustration. She wants to help him. I see her feelings for him as closer to nutruring that love...she is naive in the ways of love and confuses the two. At least that is my take on things.

    They are not really compatable. We are even given hints that politically they are coming from very different places. And Padme is a senator? Getting involved with someone who suggests he favors dictatorships?

    "Don't worry--most of us can tolerate a little staring. "


    Oh, so now we have gone from "leering" to "staring." Staring has a very different connotation than leering, so I guess one's take on this depends upon whether you see Anakin's look as a "leer" or a appreciative "stare."
  23. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Lagniappe: The reasons why Anakin was with Padme the whole time are important--it's not like he was tagging along just for the hell of it--he had a job to do, and he was going to do it. And, IMHO, he was the best man for that job, because he cared enough about her to lay down his life for her.

    Besides, if she felt that uncomfortable with Anakin, she could have gone to the Council and requested a different Jedi to protect her--and, knowing Padme, she would have.

    Also, if she were feeling uncomfortable and frightened by him, she would not send him mixed messages--she is a strong enough woman to say, "No, absolutely not," if that's what she meant.

    They get married in secret for a reason - because they know people will not approve. They have to hide their relationship. Not a healthy situaion at all.

    I think forbidden love is very romantic myself. Besides, it wouldn't have been forbidden, and they wouldn't have had to hide their marriage, if the Jedi didn't have stupid rules about it.

    We are even given hints that politically they are coming from very different places.

    My parents have been married almost 32 years, and they have not voted the same way in an election since 1980. There are more important things than politics. A hell of a lot goes into a relationship.

    The rest of your post, IMHO, degrades both Anakin's and Padme's characters, suggesting that they are both too stupid to know what they want. I don't think this is the case. There have been plenty of "quickie" marriages, and many have worked. And we haven't seen Episode III, so we don't know exactly how Padme and Anakin's relationship ends--we don't know that one of them ends up leaving the other one. I personally see a "Romeo and Juliet" type scenario, but that's a topic for another thread.



  24. Jedilisa Jedi Master

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    Lagniappe: The WHY are not important.

    Okay..Why are the Why's not important? You have to give a why don't you when you are explaining things..Or else you seem to be impossing your opinions on someone else without giving creditable reason(s). Anakin is a boy/adolescent who has the power to see things/sense things before they occur. Example: the dreams he has..they are mostly premonitions..the dream where he is in the desert and he sees the black sandstorm,his mother breaking into pieces,coming to him all he saw ahead of him,if I am not mistaken, was Padme calling out to him. If you want to view their relationship in the Spychological sense, then I think we need to start a "Analyze anakin and Padme in the Spychological way" thread. If you do remember the meadow picnic scene..Anakin does start to talk about his view of the republic, but, he is also making fun of Padme and her role in the senate..I call what he was doing Harmless Flirting. He is trying to get her to laugh and talk about other things,personal things, he is getting to know her. She is also interested in him,getting to know him more..They(in the book)spend a great deal of time together. I am sure if Padme felt he was a threat to her she would have gone to the Jedi Council or Palpatine herself to try to get him removed.But, she did not see him as a threat, she saw him as a man who sometimes acts like a boy. Anakin does know what he wants and he has always wanted Padme..Like I said before..He knew he was going to marry her even at age 9. Now, I don't think that at that age(9) he was fantasizing about her in a sexual way.Now, this is my opinion.
  25. naw ibo Force Ghost

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    The why isn't important for exactly the reason she gave(she did give a reason, quite clearly in fact)--because he is with her, so one doesn't get to see what his reaction would be if he was "taken off the case" so to speak. So long as he is with her, the situation is the same.

    As for the meadow scene, Lucas says on the DVD that Anakin is NOT joking in that scene(which I never doubted anyway), they just both pass it off as a joke. So actually what you have in that scene is Padme already starting to cover up, for herself, in her own mind, when Anakin says or does questionable things because of her growing attraction to him. She gives him an excuse("you're making fun of me") and he takes it. She is actually avoiding really seeing the dangerous or questionable part of his personality. And they are both avoiding an aspect of each others personalities that could cause a rift between them. I believe this is going to become a major point of contention in the next film.
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