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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Feelicks, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. drg4 Force Ghost

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    Unpopular opinions?

    I prefer the PT musical score to that from the OT. In fact, every film score aficionado should be grateful for the existence of the Prequels, if only for these compositions.

    Plus, the themes nicely accommodate all of life's trappings. Mired in nostalgia? Anakin's Theme. Fall madly in love? Across the Stars. Forced to go to church? Duel of the Fates. Attending a funeral? Qui-Gon's Funeral Pyre. Tax audit? Order 66. Your neighbor's meth lab finally busted? Augie's Great Municipal Band. Losing all connection with reality? Padme's Ruminations.
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  2. Carbon1985 Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't see your opinion as unpopular as I always the the one thing that united the SW fan base was John Williams scores of all 6 movies.
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  3. Dasan Jedi Master

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    I understand what you are saying, also. What makes Darth Vadar different is that in the actions he does perform, he demonstrates his power and his status as a villain. He's cruel, unforgiving and can kill at will using nothing but his mind. But you are right. His costume and presence go a long way towards making him a great villain, and Boba Fett also has some of that same quality. I just don't think he actually does as much as Vadar or even the Emperor does to confirm what we may suspect of his character.


    This is definitely true to an extent. However, when the solo films were announced, the majority of comments I read were asking for a Han Solo film and a Boba Fett film. Clearly, if people think he deserves to have his own film, he is still well loved. Obviously, I think Boba is nowhere as deserving of a solo film as Han is, though. Especially since his origins have already been partially explained. On the other hand, I have no interest in seeing another actor tackle the role of Han Solo, but that's for another thread...
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  4. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    Re: disliking Boba Fett as being "unpopular" - it probably still is, overall. What's different now is that it's possible to have a real debate about how interesting a character he was, with numbers on both sides, as opposed to earlier times where only a small handful of people didn't like him.

    Well, there is a difference between liking the PT score and preferring the PT score.
  5. DeviantSpirit Jedi Grand Master

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    The Phantom Menace is Star Wars in its purest form, as opposed to A New Hope.
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  6. bigtukker Jedi Grand Master

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    I liked Jar Jar as a child
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  7. only one kenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    Which makes less sense if you give 'A New Hope' its original name...
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  8. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as taken from the “Journal of the Whills”
    by George Lucas
    (Saga I)
    THE STAR WARS
    :p

    Ironically enough, TPM is very closely based (far more than any of the other films) upon the 1972/1973 handwritten two-page outline GL entitled 'The Journal of the Whills', which he effectively tossed aside. That's the notoriously incoherent one about:

    Oh, OK, here's the whole transcript of page 1, courtesy of @ATMachine, who, sadly, we haven't seen in a while around these parts:

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...tline-by-george-lucas.32108921/#post-32120744
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  9. only one kenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    Thank you for that, always interesting to see the creative workings of a project (and how altered the story often becomes from its original inception). There are though, I would argue, far more differences from TPM than there are similarities.

    Just a few off the top of my head; " I was 16, I believe, and pilot of the trawler Balmung, when my ambitions demanded that I enter the exalted Intersystems Academy to train as a potential Jedi-Templer."

    So...choice and the age are distinctly differentiated from TPM in terms of becoming a Jedi (and ambition is seen as an apt motivator for entry to the Jedi)...

    Being on the 'secret mission' alongside his mentor would make Obi-Wan the Anakin Starkiller character and Qui-Gon the equivalent of Mace Windy (a daft name no matter how many times I hear it); Padmé should have been on Arrakis...sorry Aquilae (Tatooine) and Obi-Wan would have become the Paul Atreides of that desert planet...

    The 'North Vietnam'/USA transposition seems to have been reversed also. Those inscrutable Neimodians and their...odd accents.... in opposition to the Senate...

    So, the only real similarity would seem to be, two Jedi are on a secret mission :p
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  10. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    Of course, but it's still something GL clearly went back to when he began writing TPM, and more to the point, didn't find its way anywhere into the OT or its backstory (unlike the asteroid chase, the Wookiee ground battle, Cloud City) etc. He really did go back to the beginning when he began tackling the PT.
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  11. CGI-BOBAFENT Force Ghost

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    ROTS is the weakest of the Saga. Iain Mcdiarmid was particularly terrible at points.
    ANH is better than TESB
    AOTC ties with `TESB for second fave.
    I loved Phantom Menace
    ROTJ was awesome
    Loved the Ewoks
    Didn't mind Jar Jar
    Prefer Hayden force ghost [just makes sense, to have an image that was completely alien to what Anakin looked like always bothered me even before the prequels
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  12. ree_yees Jedi Youngling

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    yeah i was just thinking about this recently. and also that hayden christensen was actually very good.
    hopefully they can find a way for him to appear in ep7 in fact i'd bet thats almost a certainty that it will happen. how can it not? yoda and obi wan too.

    i can't stand the PT for the most part BUT there are some awesome scenes in them. saw them once when they each came out...might be time to watch them again and see if i feel the same.
  13. Little Mike Jedi Knight

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    I totally agree with that - when Anakin was going crazy in the garage, it was the first time in the Prequels that I really thought he could turn out to be Darth Vader. It started to click about what Vader was once all about, he wasn't a psycho to begin with, or a squeaky-clean Jedi, he was someone with a lot of hidden anger and pain in him. The Emperor was lying in wait for the right time to use all of it.

    And Hayden was great at this playing this character, he was just let down with a lot of the other writing, mainly with the Padme romance. Nothing there.
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  14. Loupgarou Jedi Grand Master

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    High-functioning Droids (as in C3PO,R2D2, or 21-B, not hive-mind battledroids or GNK walking batteries) are sentient beings that deserve rights, moreso than they're allowed.
  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    While the battle droids in TPM are controlled by a central computer- those in TCW are independent.

    And surprisingly characterful.
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  16. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    What good are droids if you can't force them to do labor?

    Bah. Droids, even ones like R2 and 3PO, are no more than fancy toasters and are the property of their rightful owners.
  17. SWfan1020 Jedi Master

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    I think the Prequel Trilogy, in part due to the depth of expanded universe content from the prequel era, is more immersive, more interesting, than the original trilogy. While the execution of the Prequels was not perfect, in my opinion their flaws were mainly due to editing and certain ways the story was presented, not to any inherent flaws in the story or the characters themselves.

    I think Hayden Christensen did a good job as Anakin.

    I think considering TCW as canon is ridiculous.
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  18. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    Despite being occasionally irritating, I actually like Jar Jar Binks. There were times when he was rather funny. And as much as I like Han Solo, there were times when I found him irritating and childish.
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  19. Loupgarou Jedi Grand Master

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    That's true, and though it's played for laughs i actually find it kind of disturbing for Jedi to just massacre droids that lament their deaths in oddly squeaky voices.
  20. ree_yees Jedi Youngling

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    i watched TPM last night again (only my second time ever) and i think that if there was less goofballing of jar jar binks getting various bodyparts stuck in things then it would be a little better.

    i never liked the gungans and their leader nass and the other total CGi characters like watto, and dex in AOTC etc. very weak characters made to appeal to kids and their CGi looks bad. actually, dex looks like a classic SW character type from jabbas sail barge but his personality and given occupation and workplace are all just whacked and not really cool or funny at all as he's meant to be. leave the comedy relief to r2-d2 and c3po their parts were good and comical just like in any other of the OT.

    the robots look very good as CGi but i know there was a mix of models + CGi for them. the star ships and vehicles all look great too, in fact anything made of metal that is CGi looks great. i think other materials and surfaces in in CGi don't look so good.

    i wonder if there is any fan edits of the PT about?...
  21. FRAGWAGON Force Ghost

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    Well I guess I'm a kid because I loved Boss Nass, Watto, and especially Dexter Jettster. I like Dex so much I'd like to see him have his own show. Maybe not a cooking show....but something in the Ewoks and Droids vein.
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  22. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    I'd love to see a cooking show hosted by Dexter Jettster. That would be fascinating.
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  23. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn The Other Saga Moderator

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    Personally I thought Watto worked way better than the other CGI characters mentioned here. When TPM came out I didn't identify him as a sorta-Middle-Eastern-stereotype/caricature (which he kind of is) but I believe him as a character.
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  24. Stormtrooper Dave Jedi Knight

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    For all the changes that have been made to the original trilogy, the one that really works is adding Ian McDiarmid's holographic Emperor in The Empire Strikes Back.
  25. Hoaxer_Poker Jedi Grand Master

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    The Jedi in the prequel trilogy are an evil, sick, satanic, dangerous cult.

    They steal young kids away from their parents. Leave Anakin's slave mother behind after freeing him. Forbid any form of love.

    Worst of all, according to them a kid is too old to begin training to be a jedi at the age of 8/9? That's just ridiculous. Kids at the age of 4 probably don't know the end of a lightsaber and are likely to poke their own eyes out. It's very irresponsible.

    They also act like arrogant jerks sitting in their council chambers.

    Note, I do quite like the prequel trilogy, despite these objections!