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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Feelicks, Feb 23, 2013.

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  1. Seagoat Force Ghost

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    But the story of the ST is written by GL... and he's a creative consultant... mostly everyone knows this
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  2. JoshieHewls Jedi Grand Master

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    Yup, and a lot of people like to point to Empire and say, "See, he didn't write it and it turned out great!" Except that he was a co-writer on Empire, and gave Leigh Brackett credit because he is a classy guy.
  3. Seagoat Force Ghost

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    Conversely, I don't see anyone pointing to AOTC and bashing Jonathan Hales even though he co-wrote it
  4. Oberst Hans Landa Jedi Grand Master

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    Maybe because we know Lucas made most, if not all of the major decisions?
  5. PiettsHat Force Ghost

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    Isn't that true for ESB and ROTJ too, though? And a lot of people don't seem to want to give Lucas credit for that...
  6. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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  7. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

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    I don't think it's as simple as SW directed / written by GL = bad, without = good, or vice versa for that matter. His role seems to permeate every aspect of the films, regardless of his credited roles. I'd say it's a case of SW being better when GL is working with strong collaborators who will challenge him from time to time, rather than 'Yes George' fans. Same could be said for most film makers I'd say.
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  8. Oberst Hans Landa Jedi Grand Master

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  9. Samnz Force Ghost

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    Hales' work should not be underestimated . He wrote two script drafts on his own and also rewrote love dialogue on set in Australia .

    But then again , the same people blame him for the bad things . I've never read "Marquand gave Boba Fett a terrible death scene " or "Kasdan didn't bother to give Leia something to do in ROTJ " (although contrary to ESB , Kasdan worked on ROTJ from Writing Day 1) etc.
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  10. fuzzbox77 Force Ghost

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    A lot of people don't quote that Lucas had a strong hand in the editing of ROTJ and overshadowed what Marquand had shot. Marquand wasn't really enthusiastic about the finished product. As much as Lucas get's the knocks - there is one piece of footage that supports endless stories of how Lucas interfered with ROTJ a lot. There is a small scene in The Making of Return of the Jedi (Ebook) where David Tomblin/Marquand are trying to set up a rehearsal of the Ewok attack outside the bunker. Marquand and Tomblin have it set up in discussion and Lucas is trying to give his input/creative decision (again) and they obviously (which is very apparent on film) are getting pissed off with him. Yet he didn't do that with Kersh on ESB? Hmmmmm...

    Sadly, Marquand couldn't defend his work on ROTJ after passing in September 1987.
  11. FRAGWAGON Force Ghost

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    The point is moot. This is the unpopular opinions thread and it's popular to rant about how Star Wars is better without it's creator. Which is to say it's better had it not been born.

    Very popular. Give us an unpopular opinion, something that loses your cool cred at the parties.
  12. bigtukker Jedi Master

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    Jar Jar was once my favorite character
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  13. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Except there are times when Lucas ignores those who challenge him and times when Lucas changes his mind later on. The Battle of Naboo and Yoda's Lightsaber battles are two examples of this. There's no magic formula here.
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  14. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

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    Perhaps in those cases the collaborators weren't quite strong enough.
  15. Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost

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    Tarkin is why I watch ANH. I enjoy very much that he holds his own and is not intimidated by Vader.
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  16. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    More likely, Lucas will do what he wants. In TPM, he choose to trust his instincts. With Yoda, he admitted that Kasdan was right about Yoda fighting and that he was wrong saying that Yoda never fought.
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  17. EECHUUTA Force Ghost

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    Here's mine:

    Jar Jar Binks adds something to the PT Trilogy. Plus he's less annoying then 'lil Anakin.

    The podrace was a good and needed segment.

    I think the story benefits from Boba being dead.
  18. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn The Other Saga Moderator

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    It's also just that sometimes things don't even occur to a person, and it can take another person pointing them out for them to even come up. If one's collaborators are independent creatives, then one can get lots of this kind of feedback to work with. If one's collaborators are less willing to present alternate/their own ideas (for whatever reason - maybe they see the person in charge as someone whose ideas are automatically gold, for example), then some really good ideas may never even have the chance to be included, simply because they never occurred to the person in charge and no one else mentioned them. By the way, I'm not saying the people working on the prequels had that kind of hero-worship, I'm just using that as a possible example.

    Actually, the art department on the prequels did come up with alternate ideas and suggest plotlines (McCaig kept fighting for a female villain, I think, and someone else did a painting of Obi-Wan meeting with Qui-Gon's ghost on Utapau as a suggestion to George). But there doesn't seem to have been so much of a story-plot-theme discussion, the way there was for ESB or ROTJ (depicted in their Making Of books).
  19. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I wonder if he was wrong about anything else he said during that conversation.
  20. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    That's because those films were made the traditional way, while the PT was done a different way that fit the style that Lucas felt comfortable with. Given statements that we've heard from the production, Lucas went to his friends who were all more accomplished directors and they gave him their feedback.

    Well, he didn't outright say that he was wrong, but it shows with Yoda's two duels in the films and what he did in TCW and the EU at large. But in general terms, it wasn't a case of right and wrong, but going by what I've read in the official thread discussing the 81 story meetings, they appeared to be eye to eye on things. Kazanjian was the only one who outright questioned the decision to have Anakin as a ghost, after he talked to him about his appearing as one in the first place.
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  21. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn The Other Saga Moderator

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    Isn't that what I said too?

    He also consulted his friends for the OT (Brian de Palma wrote the opening crawl for ANH, I think).
  22. bstnsx704 Jedi Grand Master

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    The Gungans are one of the most interesting races in all of Star Wars, and are associated with some of the most visually stunning images and set pieces in the Saga.

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  23. purplerain Force Ghost

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    ROTJ is the perfect ending to the saga and the Empire is dead at end of it.
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  24. Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost

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    I would say the Sith are dead at the end of RotJ if only 'two there are'.
  25. Darth Darkstarr Jedi Padawan

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    While I tend to try to not use the word "perfect", I can agree with the overall sentiment. Though I'm still excited to see where it goes next :D

    I also kind of agree with bstnsx704 a little about the Gungans and the set pieces. Boss Nass and Captain Tarpals are two of my favorite characters in TPM.

    And just to round it off, though I don't know how unpopular these are:

    1. I don't care about the EU. Except for video games. Then it's mainly just because "Hey! It's a Star Wars game!"
    2. Even though I prefer the OT story wise, I like the Republic Era more than the Imperial/ Rebellion Era.
    3. The Obi-Wan investigation is my favorite part of AOTC, along with the battle scene on Geonosis.
    4. I like the podrace scenes of TPM. I didn't care the first time I saw it, but it's since grown on me.
    5. I like the battle droids
    There's more, but I'll stop there. ;)
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