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ST Vader in the new trilogy theory

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Sunbloom, Dec 23, 2015.

  1. Sunbloom

    Sunbloom Jedi Master star 3

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    What if Luke is guarding Vader's grave, where he buried his remains, because he is afraid Snoke and Kylo would resurrect him somehow, but his head was stolen by Kylo anyway. Though Kylo probably cannot resurrect Grandpa without the rest of the body, that's why he wants to find Luke's location so much, because that it leads to his beloved Grandpa's burial place.
     
  2. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    Since when was Vader decapitated?
     
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  3. Lord Nikon

    Lord Nikon Jedi Master star 3

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    I don't think any part of Vader made it off Endor except his lightsaber and his melted helmet.

    The funeral pyre was exactly that. Burning the remains. No need to take them to a Jedi Temple.

    Kylo wants to get to Luke to kill him. Full stop.
     
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  4. B99

    B99 Force Ghost star 6

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    Seeing His burnt Helmet in TFA was enough for me.. :(
     
  5. Sunbloom

    Sunbloom Jedi Master star 3

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    LOL Luke decided it was easier to store him at home in pieces.
     
  6. Phasma's Armor Polish

    Phasma's Armor Polish Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Yeah, Kylo wants to kill Luke cos Snoke has manipulated him into thinking that the Jedi are evil and Luke is the key to their resurgance. I get the feeling we will see Vader in ghost form/force vision in the next film, i'd like to think that Vader would appear to Kylo and Anakin would appear to Rey, showing the balance between the light and the dark side.
     
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  7. Sunbloom

    Sunbloom Jedi Master star 3

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    What if Palpatine would appear to Kylo?
     
  8. Phasma's Armor Polish

    Phasma's Armor Polish Jedi Padawan star 1

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    What purpose would that serve though? Vader was very much a character like Kylo, he experienced both sides of the force and went from one side to the other and then back again.
     
  9. TurboPGT

    TurboPGT Jedi Knight star 3

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    There is no Darth Vader. Anakin Skywalker ceased to be him, and died Anakin Skywalker. There is no Darth Vader.

    He can't appear to Kylo.
    He can't speak to Kylo.
    He can't be ressurrected.

    Because he doesn't exist.
     
  10. Thomo93

    Thomo93 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    It was stated by Lucas himself that Anakin's body underneath his amour disappeared when he (physically died) becoming one with the force. Same as what happened to Obi Wan & Yoda. So that scene in ROTJ where Luke holds a private funeral service for his father, he is only burning away the armor, since his fathers body disappeared. He does this as a meaning of Anakin once again returning to the light & leaving the dark side for dust. So no, that wouldn't be Vader's actual skull that Kylo has in his possesion. Although I'm not entirely rulling out a possible intention for a resurrection. It may be, that Kylo wants both the mask & Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber so he could try something of sorts if possible. Only time will tell :)
     
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  11. Sunbloom

    Sunbloom Jedi Master star 3

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    Whose skull is it, his old dog "Chewie"? Ewok?
    Jar Jar Binks!!
     
  12. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    I just hope it doesn't come down to some major interaction scenes between Hayden Christensen as a force Ghost and well.....anyone. That would ruin it for me.
     
  13. Ian passman

    Ian passman Jedi Master star 2

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    Nah. Dead is dead. The sith don't leave force spirits, remember?
     
  14. Sunbloom

    Sunbloom Jedi Master star 3

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    Err.. We've already seen TWO force ghosts of Anakin in ROTJ!
     
  15. goincommando

    goincommando Jedi Master star 1

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    Post-redemption. Anakin the Jedi was portrayed, not Vader the Sith.
     
  16. grungebunny

    grungebunny Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Anakin wasn't your average Jedi/Sith. Rules can be bent, he verges on a force of nature, being half the force incarnate and all
     
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  17. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    This. Though in Kylo's mind he views them as seperate people. That Anakin was redeemed, and not Vader.
     
  18. Phasma's Armor Polish

    Phasma's Armor Polish Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I'm of the firm belief that he has already communicated with Vader by the events of TFA, Kylo says "show me AGAIN" when talking to Vader's helmet, unless Kylo has been having so crazy visions it must have been Vader.
     
  19. DarthKreVass

    DarthKreVass Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Yeah but, if one becomes a Force Ghost, then don't their bodies disappear? Anakin did become a Force Ghost. The burning in ROTJ was just the suit being burned, no?
     
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  20. Darth Hood

    Darth Hood Jedi Master star 1

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    After that scene I was convinced that Snoke has created a Vader force ghost to lead Kylo down the dark side
     
  21. Darth Early

    Darth Early Jedi Padawan star 1

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    How can you resurrect someone who already resurrected? He is a force ghost and remains of his body don't exist. Plus his armor was burnt at the end of ROTJ.

    Your theory doesn't hold water.

    But I guess Disney could do anything...
     
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  22. Strongbow

    Strongbow Force Ghost star 5

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    Pretty sure his lightsaber when down that huge powershaft that cooked the Emperor..... unless you talking about something else?
     
  23. Darth Rayder

    Darth Rayder Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I bet Kylo's visions of the dark are coming from Snoke, but Snoke is convincing him that they're coming from Vader. Much like the theory that Anakin's visions of Padme's death were coming from Palpatine.

    An interesting idea: Snoke is giving Kylo visions that steer him toward the Dark Side, but the "temptation of the light" is coming from Vader's helmet. THAT would be a cool twist.
     
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  24. mute90

    mute90 Jedi Knight star 1

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    This. If Anakin could continue to exist in Vader, then Vader could continue to exist in Anakin. And what does that mean if Anakin becomes a force ghost? That Vader went with him? It's an interesting possibility: Anakin appearing to come as two different people to Kylo/Rey but, in actuality, just being one person with shifting forms. They could even work that into him being the chosen one. He's the representation of balance, existing within both light and dark within the force.
     
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  25. TurboPGT

    TurboPGT Jedi Knight star 3

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    I wouldn't beopposed to Hayden appearing to Kylo and being like, "Yo...I was good, then became bad, and became good again. You can still do the same. Its not too late." and Kylo being like, "Nooooooo".

    /s
     
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