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Discussion in 'Oceania Discussion Boards' started by Katana_Geldar, Sep 8, 2005.

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  1. Ender Sai Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Feb 18, 2001
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    Eye opening for me too. I mean, who'd have thought offering exactly what Bush was offering, albeit with stupider policies (protectionism) and better hair would be enough to convince the Democrats to field him?

    It opened my eyes to how desperate the Democrats are, when they shelved Howard Dean for the most bland ticket since, well, Gore/Libermann.

    E_S
  2. TheBoogieMan Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 14, 2001
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    Let's face it - the oppositions in the pro-Iraq countries are hopeless.
  3. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Feb 18, 2001
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    Well, the Democrats have had a problem since Clinton left, in that he moved the party to the centre and sold it off his own strength. They've had a crisis of identity since before the Iraq war, as has the ALP which doesn't know if it's a champagne socialist, workers or centrist party.

    E_S
  4. TheBoogieMan Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 14, 2001
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    I agree that all three opposition parties had problems well before Iraq. However, you cannot deny that various matters regarding Iraq and the war on terror have been used to the reigning party's advantage in all three countries.
  5. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Feb 18, 2001
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    Well, sure, but on the other hand it's not like the anti-war crowd's not purposefully ignoring the positives in Iraq for the doom-and-gloom aspects of the post-war reconstruction. By many accounts, if you know where to look, Iraqis are actually damned proud of what their country can become. So, it's not all bad, though obviously we're a little miffed that Wolfowitz and co would think us stupid enough to believe Saddam and Osama were working together after a decade of unrestrained hatred. o_O

    E_S
  6. TheBoogieMan Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 14, 2001
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    Yeah, but if you want to get even less 'black & white' you could say that the 'anti-war crowd' is by no means solidified in any sense so therefore cannot be grouped into one mass group whom you can claim have been deliberately ignoring the positives. It is possible to acknowledge the positives while being anti-war.
  7. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Feb 18, 2001
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    Well, can we agree it's probably all Russia's fault, deep down?

    E_S
  8. Katana_Geldar Force Ghost

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    Mar 3, 2003
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    Maybe, but we have to somewhat blame America for turning Saddam from an ally to an enemy. Didn't the CIA trained him.

    Turncoats :mad:
  9. GoobaFish Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Apr 15, 2002
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    I like Vegemite.

    I hate threads like this.
    Get over yourselves please. Most people know your opinion already, and you know theirs. Enough. Please.

    Can we get back to Vegemite or Star Wars?
  10. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Feb 18, 2001
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    Serious, where the hell did you wrench that unholy union between conjecture and outright falsehood from?

    You may be thinking of the lie propagagted by the unquantifiably ignorant that "Usama bin Laden was trained by the CIA", which is so ******* stupid and ignorant of the entirely jihad against the Soviets 1979-1989 that it boggles me people go ahead with it. Yes, I'm looking at you Michael Moore, you raging, lying hypocrit you; and the crowds who swallowed it afterwards, without even bothering to think about what they were putting in their mouths.

    In short, Katana, you're wrong. Spectacularly so; as in we should declare a holiday celebrating just how far off the mark one person could be. :)

    E_S
  11. Katana_Geldar Force Ghost

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    Mar 3, 2003
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    Okay okay, but you have to admit that the line between fact, fiction and fabrication is so blurry today that it's hard what to know what is or isn't true.
  12. Ender Sai Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Feb 18, 2001
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    No Katana, I wrote my thesis on the US and terrorism which meant arseloads of research into bin Laden, so I can tell you, no.

    Bin Laden was in Afghanistan briefly to build things. He never recieved US funding or training; the CIA gave money to the Pakistani ISI who in turn gave it to the Afghan mujahideen. The Afghans, for what it's worth, detested the Arabs as adventurers.

    E_S
  13. TheBoogieMan Manager Emeritus

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    Whoa. Way to jump down someone's throat, ES. I'm with GoobaFish. I liek Vegemite.
  14. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of historical sodomy.

    E_S
  15. HawkNC Former RSA: Oceania

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    Oct 23, 2001
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    In all fairness, I've been known to have the same reaction to people who insist on using poor grammar or opening redundant threads over on the JC side of things. Neither that nor a person's inability to fact-check are the point of this thread, however.
  16. Ender Sai Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Feb 18, 2001
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    Right.

    What was the point? Was it making fun of Mother Russia and her wily ways?

    E_S
  17. Amaya_Unduli Jedi Knight

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    Sep 13, 2005
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    First of all, there is no need to become personal.

    Second of all, you attacked Katana for not checking facts before posting. I may not have written a thesis on American terrorism, but I do know that Saddam and Bin Laden are not the same person.

    Thirdly, History is a series of opinions, and accounts of events, mostly written from whichever side is publishing the information.

    Fourthly, for interest sake, check out this. http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/history-repeating.html U.S. endorsement of Saddam's warmaking is discussed nine paragraphs in. Make what you will of it - just provinding the alternate argument. You might also like to treck through old newspapers and find out just who installed Saddam as leader in the first place. I think you would find these facts rather interesting (I'm assuming that trust your own papers to print the truth).

    Finally, I have tried the old vegemite and cheese combination, but I still prefer to lather it on toast with lots of margarine.:)
  18. JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE Jedi Master

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    May 23, 2005
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  19. Ender Sai Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Feb 18, 2001
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    Johnnage, this is a case where your spamming every imaginable thread in site is even more crass than usual. Truly, I'm glad you felt the need to chastise me whilst everyone else was doing it, as there can't be a thread you don't throw 2 words into, but to suggest it's less than appreciated is a mild understatement. :) Furthermore the last comment from me was 2 days ago, Jonny - too little too late.

    Katana, I apologise.

    Luminara, I also said in all probability she was thinking of Osama, since one doesn't heard about "CIA training" for Saddam. Sure, I jumped to conclusions, and I apologise fully.

    I will also send Katana a PM apologising for my mistake.

    E_S
  20. HawkNC Former RSA: Oceania

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    Oct 23, 2001
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    Now that we've all hugged and made up, can we move on?
  21. Katana_Geldar Force Ghost

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    I would prefer to see this thread die a slow and peaceful death.

    That's ok ender, we all make mistakes sometimnes. But you are a mod, anyway no hard feelings. :)
  22. Loopster Jedi Youngling

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    Sep 26, 2000
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    Did you know vegemite was made out of the horrid sludgy bits at the bottom of old barrels left over from the beer making process?

    That is why I love it so.
  23. JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE Jedi Master

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    May 23, 2005
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    Wow. I didn't know that. I hope that's true or I'm gonna sound MIGHTY gullible.

    And don't worry about it Ender! just chill man- I'm not your arch nemesis. It's that baby with the one eyebrow...[face_batting]
  24. Mr44 VIP

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    May 21, 2002
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    Of course, that would be Gerald, the baby uni-brow.

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  25. JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE Jedi Master

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    May 23, 2005
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    Indeedy. But I think you're link is a bit shelackered matie!
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