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Viscount-Class Star Defenders

Discussion in 'Literature' started by wild_knight, Jan 17, 2002.

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  1. wild_knight

    wild_knight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Would anyone happen to know the stats for these ships such as size, crew number, number of araments etc. Or be able to suggest a site that might have these.
     
  2. sith1137

    sith1137 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    i dont know of any. havent seen any. sorry
     
  3. KansasNavy

    KansasNavy Jedi Master star 4

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    No, but a RPG supplement called the NJO Sourcebook might mention it. That comes out in early February, I think. Someone probably knows more about it than I do.
     
  4. wild_knight

    wild_knight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Thakns anyway
     
  5. RaptorRage

    RaptorRage Jedi Master star 4

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    Star Wars Technical Commentaries: Warships of the Calamari

    Saxton's website has a small bit of info based on the novel text, which is pretty much the extent of tech info currently available. I'd have to agree and wait for the NJO Sourcebook to hopefully cover these ships and clear up some possible inconsistencies that have cropped up, as well as give basic stats and such...
     
  6. wild_knight

    wild_knight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Thanks for the suggestions. I must also tell you that I recently stumbled upon a site that had a rough article on these ships.

    The site is: http://automadon_516.tripod.com/vx3.html
     
  7. RaptorRage

    RaptorRage Jedi Master star 4

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    That info seems to be a fan-created conjecture, but it will be interesting to see how close it is to the official stats whenever those crop up.
     
  8. Alion_Sangre

    Alion_Sangre Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Stats for the Viscount/Strident-class Star Defenders are on swrpgnetwork.com. It's a joint Mon Cal-CEC project, the overall design is Mon Cal, but much of the engines/weapons are Corellian. Both the Mon Calamari and Corellian yards build the ships, the Mon Cal-built ships are the Viscount-class and the CEC ships the Strident-class, but the ships are identical.
     
  9. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Try Starships of The Galaxy, The Obi Wan is a star defender.
     
  10. RaptorRage

    RaptorRage Jedi Master star 4

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    Actually according to the WOTC Starships of the Galaxy book, the Obi-wan is a "Defender-class Star Destroyer" which is a redesign of the same-class ship in the WEG Cracken's Threat Dossier, which is itself an incorrectly named ship that should be the Nebula-class Star Destroyer that was introduced in the Black Fleet Crisis novels and also mentioned in the Hand of Thrawn duology.

    Check this thread for details.
    Answering the Nebula/Defender-class Star Destroyer question.

    So the short version is the Obi-wan is a Nebula-class Star Destroyer, not a Viscount or Strident-class Star Defender...

    And the SWRPG network stats as far as I know are still unofficial fan-creations, but hopefully the NJO Sourcebook that is going to be released Feb. 3 will clear everything up.
     
  11. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    It's much easier to go by official word and call it a Defender Class SD. [face_plain]

    Trust me . :p If they messed up,eh. Now there's a new ship.
     
  12. RaptorRage

    RaptorRage Jedi Master star 4

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    That may be well and good for the RPG, but as far as the EU literature is concerned there isn't any Defender-class Star Destroyer, unless someone introduces it in an NJO novel...
     
  13. wild_knight

    wild_knight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Does anyone know if there is any information about these ships in the NJO Sourcebook? If so please post it. THANKS
     
  14. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Raptor,
    "That may be well and good for the RPG, but as far as the EU literature is concerned there isn't any Defender-class Star Destroyer, unless someone introduces it in an NJO novel..."

    The novels aren't in any way "better" or "higher" than the RPG. In fact, the RPG books are EU literature, and therefore where EU literature is concerned, there is a Defender-class Star Destroyer, as detailed in SotG.
     
  15. LanceJade

    LanceJade Jedi Padawan star 4

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    While you know it pains me to agree with you G12 :D , I have to this time. Without the RPG, the EU wouldn't have a majority of its ships.

    The Defender-class stays! :)
     
  16. RaptorRage

    RaptorRage Jedi Master star 4

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    The Cracken's Threat Dossier described the New Class ships that were originally introduced in the Black Fleet Crisis novels. These ships included:

    *Agave-class Picket 190m
    Kauri, Pran, Nagwa

    *Warrior-class Gunship 190m
    Marauder

    *Sacheen-class Light Escort 375m
    Trenchant, Kettemoor, Stendaffi

    *Hajen-class Fleet Tender 375m
    Ahazi

    *Majestic-class Heavy Cruiser 700m
    Resolve, Gallant, Illustrious, Indomitable, Liberty, Phalanx, Stalwart, Vigilant

    *Defender-class Assault Carrier 700m
    Repulse, Shield

    *Nebula-class Star Destroyer 1040m
    Brilliant

    *Endurance-class Fleet Carrier 1040m
    Endurance, Intrepid, Venture

    The Cracken's Threat Dossier described the stats of these ships, but they replaced the name of the Nebula-class Star Destroyer with Defender-class Star Destroyer, a name which already existed for the Defender-class Assault Carrier made by the same company, Republic Engineering Corporation. The stats and description of this so called Defender-class Star Destroyer were identical to the stats and description of the Nebula-class in the novels. The Cracken's Threat Dossier did not include any ship with the name of Nebula-class as they had already duplicated a taken class name for the Star Destroyer's description. One of the key points of the New Class designs was that they shared the same hulls as the other ships of their length. Thus the Nebula-class Star Destroyer and the Endurance-class Fleet Carrier, both at 1,040 meters, shared the same basic hull design. The Cracken's Threat Dossier shows the Endurance-class Fleet Carrier and the so called Defender-class Star Destroyer to have the same basic hull design. WOTC later comes out with the Starships of the Galaxy sourcebook, and in an attempt to retain existing RPG continuity, uses the Defender-class Star Destroyer name and stats, but then creates a completely new design for the ship, that is distinctively different from the WEG depiction in the Cracken's Threat Dossier. Thus we have two seperate designs for the so called Defender-class Star Destroyer, which happens to not appear in any EU novel in the first place.

    "Without the RPG, the EU wouldn't have a majority of its ships."

    In this case the RPG sources did not invent the New Class ships. Michael P. Kube-McDowell, the author of the Black Fleet Crisis novels did. The Cracken's Threat Dossier then set out to catalogue and describe these ships and stats for the RPG game, but left out the Nebula-class name and instead used its stats and description under the Defender-class name that was already being used.

    Thus the so called Defender-class Star Destroyer is actually the Nebula-class Star Destroyer.
     
  17. KansasNavy

    KansasNavy Jedi Master star 4

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    Yup! Raptor and I proved that long ago, about the time when this thread was created. Unfortunately, the NJO Sourcebook hardly has anything on the NR military. Basically, the Jedi and Vong are detailed much. They describe the T-65XJ and XJ3 Fighters, Ralroost, Corusca Fire and Corusca Rainbow. Nothing of the newer ship. I was puzzled too. They even mentioned the Proficient-class Light Cruiser Soothfast in a paragraph, but gave no stats on the ship. Same goes for the Mediator and Rejuvenator.

    I have no idea why they picked the Corusca Rainbow and Corusca Fire. They played very minor roles in the Dark Tide duology. The Mediator, Soothfast, Mon Mothma, Viscount, and maybe the Yald.

     
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