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PT Was any part of Palpatine good?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Darth Arthurius, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    Um...
    He's using a healing technique and checking Anakin's condition. It's like Obi-Wan does to an unconscious Padme and unconscious Luke.
    If you look carefully Anakin stops moving when Palpatine touches him, like he is being calmed.
    It's been described as Palpatine's one act of compassion and partly explains why Vader would stay with him.

    Nevertheless, besides all that your sentiment is correct.
     
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  2. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Unconscious is not the same as being burned from head to, well, stump.
     
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  3. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The junior novelization does say he's "using the dark side to keep Vader alive" - with the adult novelization saying Palpatine has "set his will" on Vader, willing him to live:

    Adult ROTS novelization (Matt Stover)

    A Naboo skiff reverted to realspace and flashed toward an alien medical installation in the asteroid belt of Polis Massa.
    Tantive IV reentered reality only moments behind.
    And on Mustafar, below the red thunder of a volcano, a Sith Lord had already snatched from sand of black glass the charred torso and head of what once had been a man, and had already leapt for the cliffbank above with effortless strength, and had already roared to his clones to bring the medical capsule immediately!
    The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the cool ground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackened mess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.
    Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice. Live.


    Junior ROTS novelization (Patricia C. Wrede):

    As the Imperial shuttle closed its wings and settled on the topmost landing platform, Darth Sidious saw a small starship fleeing from Mustafar. But he could not order the shuttle into pursuit—the uneasy urgency was stronger than ever, and it was tied to the planet, not the ship.
    The clone troopers disembarked first, fanning out through the quiet building to make sure nothing would endanger their Emperor. They found only bodies. Then, as Darth Sidious inspected the control room, one of the troopers came in through an exterior door.
    "There's something out here," he reported.
    That's it. As quickly as he could, Darth Sidious followed the troopers outside, onto the black sand banks of the lava river. No, it can't be!
    But it was. His promising new apprentice, who was to be the greatest Sith who'd ever lived—maimed and burned, perhaps dead. Darth Sidious ground his teeth in frustrated anger. Part of him wanted to turn on his heel and leave what was left of Darth Vader to burn to ashes in the rising lava. Even if he was alive, even if he could be saved, Vader would be crippled.
    And not just with his mechanical limbs. The Force—dark side as well as light—was generated by living beings, and it took living flesh to manipulate it. Darth Vader would never be able to cast blue Force lightning; that required living hands, not metal ones. And with so much of his body replaced by machinery, he would never come close to the potential he'd had.
    It was a great pity, Darth Sidious thought, controlling his anger, but perhaps not irreparable. Even diminished, Darth Vader would still be very strong, and there were no Jedi left to challenge him. Darth Sidious had seen to that himself. So he kept walking until he could bend over the body. And to his surprise, his apprentice was still alive.
    Relief swept his doubts away. "Get a medical capsule immediately," Darth Sidious commanded, and clones ran off to do his bidding. Leaning down, he placed a hand on Darth Vader's forehead, using the dark side to keep him alive.
     
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  4. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Presumably not kindness and compassion since those are antithesis of the darkside. Hatred, suffering and pain are the darkness.

    Makes sense if Vader is to be a servant of evil, his first experience involves hating and suffering enough to motivate him to live long enough to punish those he feels are responsible.

    Having your burnt skin handled by someone would certainly induce suffering, anger and hatred.
     
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  5. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    He started off like anyone else , but how he became evil would be an interesting story .
     
  6. themoth

    themoth Jedi Master star 4

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    Completely agree. He's on a whole other plane to everyone else. He's a predator walking among sheep. The alpha of all alphas. Everything he does is to serve his mission. He's always thinking and moving towards his target. Complacency isn't an option.
     
  7. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Is that true? I was given the impression that, like the Jedi, Sith were often raised from birth. Palpatine included.
     
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  8. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don't know about that , but we at least know that Dooku and Anakin weren't .

    But what I mean is Palpy wasn't born evil .
     
  9. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    What I mean is, has that been confirmed?
     
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  10. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No idea . The movies don't address it , but I don't see why someone would need to be born evil , humans have quite the capacity for it anyway .
     
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  11. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Ok. I wasn't sure if it was declared one way or the other in a book or whatever.

    So it's still possible that he was raised as a Sith from birth like Maul.
     
  12. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    Ian McDiarmid said that Palpatine was a patron of the arts, but that's not an inherently moral act.

    I don't see Palpatine as born evil, but I don't see anything redeeming about him.
     
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  13. DarthTalonx

    DarthTalonx Jedi Master star 4

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    Palpatine, Darth Sidious the Patient, brought order to the galaxy. He ended the corruption of the Senate and the apathetic attitude of the Core, the bureaucrats and the Jedi Order, to the plight of Galactic citizens at the mercy of criminals whether they be trade cartels, smugglers, slavers or Hutts. He united the galaxy in a way no one thought possible.

    There was no civility. The bureaucrats were in charge. Corruption rampant. The people ignored.

    The Chancellor saved the galaxy. Admittedly he put down the Jedi. An Empire with Jedi would be win win. If not for Palpatine's Empire we needed a Jedi Junta. Not the corrupt old Republic.

    The galaxy needed a new leader. A visionary leader. A strong leader. For a safe, prosperous and secure society. For the people, not the bureacrats!
     
  14. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    ...

    Dude the Empire is much, much worse.
     
  15. Anslyder

    Anslyder Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Yeah, I remember this.

    Also,

    If you consider Palpatine having a feeling for Anakin as him having a good part, then I guess he did?
     
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