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CT Was Vader/Anakin technically Emperor for the last couple minutes of his life?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Dominick1216, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. Dominick1216

    Dominick1216 Jedi Knight star 1

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    After Vader/Anakin killed Palpatine in ROTJ, was he technically Emperor for the last couple minutes of his life?
     
  2. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Jedi Master star 4

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    No. No one was, the Empire had fallen.
    Also, Anakin was renouncing his status anyway.
     
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  3. Kez-Iban

    Kez-Iban Jedi Knight star 2

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    I was wondering if Anakin finally achieved the rank of Jedi master after he defeated Palpatine. Since he had turned away from the dark side, he would have been the most senior ranking Jedi alive, at least for a few minutes.
     
  4. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the status needs to be conferred by other Masters. I don't think he cared about that anyway.
     
  5. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Host, PT Interview Thread star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I think he had more important things to care about
     
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  6. jimtalkbox

    jimtalkbox Jedi Knight star 1

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    I don't think he was the "head honcho" Sith. I think technically he had gone back to being "good" about 5 minutes before he kicked the bucket.
     
  7. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Anakin was not the Emperor, since that is just a political title and not one that would be given to him. Nor was he the Dark Lord of the Sith either, since he had turned away from the dark side.
     
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  8. MoffJacob

    MoffJacob Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yes
    There was no time to make it official, though: he died, and he would have said No, anyway
     
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  9. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    Anakin was Emperor for a few minutes, until his heir, Luke took that title because he saw him die. Nobody in the movie saw Luke die, so now we need to have a tournament between all the viewers of TLJ.

    Watch your back.
     
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  10. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Master star 4

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    No one acknowledged him as the Emperor which includes Palpatine's hologram, so no.

     
  11. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    I would say not. I would think the Grand Vizier, Mas Amedda would be first in line, Though had Vader remained, he probably would have asserted his authority and claimed the throne for himself.
     
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  12. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The whole point of Vader repenting is that he recognises that he's been supporting evil for years, and wants now to oppose it.

    Helping the Emperor create the Empire and destroying the Republic, was Vader's biggest mistake, and finally he's realised it. Becoming the next Emperor, would go against that whole "repentance" thing.
     
  13. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    If he was it was unknown to everyone but Vader and Luke. I think there is an EU dude named...Prestage?...who claimed the title right after. Film-wise what was the line of succession? Palpatine to Vader to...Jerjerrod?
     
  14. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Sate Pestage (the Grand Vizier) claimed control of the Empire right after, though he never declared himself Emperor. In the Disneyverse, Mas Amedda fills the same "Grand Vizier who rules the Empire for a while after Palpatine's death" role.

    Jerjerrod is just Death Star Commander, never a ruler.
     
  15. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    He is a full on Moff, though put there as an easy to control stooge.
     
  16. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    Interesting thought. But no, he wasn't. That was Palpatine's empire and at that point he quit the whole rule of 2 stuff
     
  17. Cody2017

    Cody2017 Jedi Youngling

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    No.

    Had Darth Vader survived, he COULD have declared himself the new Emperor and easily taken over the Empire by force, but he didn't. Along with saving his son, Vader killed Palpatine to end the Empire.

    THAT scenario plays out in TLJ with Kylo Ren, Snoke, and the Order.
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    It's true that he was promoted to Moff (and that there was once only 20 of them):

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tiaan_Jerjerrod

    however, his lack of the traditional Moff badge might not just be a blooper - it might be an indication that he doesn't rule sectors but confines his work purely to Getting The Death Star Running.
     
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  19. Darth Formidious

    Darth Formidious Jedi Knight star 4

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    In his final moments, Vader was certainly not Emperor, it is not an inherited position per se. Neither was he Sith master. He was simply a Jedi, and a father.
     
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  20. Sara_Kenobi

    Sara_Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I think if Anakin never turned back to the Light side, before his death, then yes. I can't picture Darth Vader not wanting that position.
     
  21. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    There was a formal hierarchy and a secret plot by Palpatine so no. Vader was dying not sure what you mean would it go to him and it took Luke's every physical effort to drag his limp body to a shuttle. He wasnt Vader by the last time he said "Noooooooooooo!" in ROTJ or if you prefer the original when he picked up the Emperor. So certainly after his head was fried he was not gonna live long to claim any such title and had no authority or ability to pass it to Luke. Besides the Empire was designed to not outlive Palpatine, it was the contingency plan called Operation Cinder. So there would not of been any time.

    I am curious if Snoke had something in the
    posthumous order like Palpatine's Operation Cinder after his early premature demise at the hands of the treacherous Kylo Ren.
     
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  22. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    When he finally chucked the Emperor down the shaft, he was once again Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker.

    He wasn’t a Sith Lord (either Apprentice or Master), as he had renounced the title.
    He wasn’t an Emperor, as no one formally declared him as such.
    He wasn’t a Jedi Master, as there were no Jedi to appoint him as such and I doubt Luke had such authority.

    The man we saw dying on the ramp was Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight and father of Luke and Leia Skywalker.
     
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  23. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Hand of the Mod Squad and Enforcer of the Realm star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I find it funny that some people think there is a bright line between good and evil. Bad people do good things once in awhile and the converse is also true. I dont think its fair to say that there is an instantaneous moment when Vader becomes good again.
     
  24. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Right, I doubt one good deed would erase the 24 years of horror and misery Vader dished out on the galaxy. However, we may be straying off — my point is that as far as Luke and the Force were concerned, Vader paid his dues by essentially offing himself and the Emperor at the same time (albeit with Vader dying a bit later.)
     
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  25. firesaber

    firesaber Jedi Master star 4

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    Vaders one act removing decades of death and misery? Would have made a great Hitchens essay. [face_thinking]
     
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