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CT Was Vader/Anakin technically Emperor for the last couple minutes of his life?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Dominick1216, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. darth-skycrawler

    darth-skycrawler Jedi Master star 2

    Aug 7, 2001
    I imagine that Palpatine planned on making it so. The Sith are strange to me. They are so evil, so greedy that they consume themselves. Palpatine was determined to get an apprentice much stronger than himself, in either Luke or Anakin. Had Palpatine got his way, I don't see him lasting long with the handsome, popular and most importantly, more powerful Skywalker (Luke/Anakin) at his side. He would almost certainly have been killed a couple of years after turning them with a new Skywalker as emperor.
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  2. Starwarsguy777

    Starwarsguy777 Jedi Youngling

    Nov 29, 2016
    Anikan killed the Emperor. He turned good. It's not like the the rule of 2 when the master is killed by the apprentice, he was not Emperor. He was reformed. Also, he would have to be declared Emperor. So no, he was not. Finally, like the second post, the Empire was no more.
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  3. Adrian the Cool

    Adrian the Cool Jedi Knight star 3

    Sep 3, 2012
    De jure, Darth Vader held the title "Supreme Commander of the Imperial Forces" and therefore I assume he was "only" the boss of the Imperial Fleet and Army, but not a political leader. That was Grand Vizier Sate Pestage, who functioned as Palpatine's political second-in-command during his reign. He officially became the new Galactic Emperor after Palpatine's death.
  4. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Hand of the Mod Squad and Enforcer of the Realm star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Nov 1, 2012
    What is the source of that? I dont remember ever reading that anywhere
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  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

    Sep 2, 2012

    Character origins

    The character of Sate Pestage, originally called Sate Molock, was meant to appear in the film The Empire Strikes Back. Molock first appeared in the second draft of the screenplay, where he warns Darth Vader that the Emperor is in a bad mood before Vader reports the victory at Hoth. In the revised second draft, Molock was renamed Sate Pestage.[48]

    In the fourth draft, Pestage was to be in scene 286 as a "shimmering holographic image." When Darth Vader attempts to contact the Emperor, he reaches Pestage, who (as before) warns Vader of the Emperor's foul mood and bids him to wait.[48] According to Pablo Hidalgo, Pestage had been cut by the fifth draft of the script.[49] However, the film's shooting schedule says that the Pestage scene was shot on June 18, 1979, though it never made it into the movie's final cut. As the scene was filmed, an actor was evidently cast for Pestage, but it is not known who this was. Kenner's Darth Vader's Star Destroyer Action Playset features a toy hologram apparently intended to be Sate Pestage. An enclosed instruction sheet reads, "Lower the hologram and have Darth(TM) communicate with the Grand Vizier(TM)."[50]

    While the scene was ultimately cut from the film, it appears in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back: Official Collectors Edition and is mentioned in the Dark Empire Sourcebook, establishing it as part of Star Wars Legends.
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  6. Adrian the Cool

    Adrian the Cool Jedi Knight star 3

    Sep 3, 2012
    Well he appears in some Expanded Universe works, like the X-Wing series. :)

    Also, I just read on Wookiepedia that he, as Grand Vizier, functioned as the Galactic Empire's official chief of government, which means that de jure, Palpatine wasn't even the absolute ruler (well, what's the case de facto was another matter ;) ), but only head of government.
  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

    Sep 2, 2012
    He's in Newcanon as well- but as a less important official -Mas Amedda fills the Grand Vizier role.
  8. DarthTalonx

    DarthTalonx Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 12, 2014
    According to the original film canon, I would think so.

    Vader was clearly recognised as being second only to the Emperor and his heir apparent. Clearly shown by Vader telling Luke that they would destroy the Emperor, bring order to the galaxy and rule it, "as father and son!"

    Like the transition from Republic to Empire, would have been better for Luke to become Emperor and re-reform it from within, rather than leave it to corrupt Mothma and company to form an illegitimate body that was as corrupt and ineffectual as the old. What was needed was the Jedi, not the Senators and such like taking advantage of the situation to reestablish the conditions which caused people to support Palpatine in the first place.
  9. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 28, 2001
    There's no reason that Vader would be seen as the Emperor, since all he was was a lackey. He would have to earn it by taking charge after killing him, which he never gets to do.
  10. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

    Aug 6, 2016
    Without any knowledge of how or even if Palpatine wrote a succession process into the new constitution of the reformed Republic - aka the Empire, we will never know if Vader could have been legitimately recognised as the new Emperor.

    However - the fact that hitherto unheard of Snoke was installed as the ideological/spiritual figurehead of the Imperialist successors, the FO, and the nature Kylo Ren's immediate assumption of Supreme Leadership illustrated the philosophy of Imperialist succession in the GFFA. The Emperor is succeeded only by a candidate from a particular spiritual and ideological category or clique. Not from the bureaucracy or from the military hierarchy.