Saga Wasn't Darth Maul shown to be cut in half...

Jinn recognized it was a Sith due to shift in the balance of the Force moments prior to the Tatooine attack, the dark weight disrupting the harmony of the Force that alerted him there was a Dark Side danger - then came the warrior ,with Jedi speed and striking crimson red lightsaber(which is unique to the Sith ), Maul being a ferocious apex hunter and Jedi arts combatant that was superior to Jinn himself - having a Jedi's focus per excellence , his lack of fear for himself, no doubt that he would win, mindful of the present, locked in the here and now and in Maul's eyes and mosaic black tattooed face that symbolized the dark arts practitioner .

The council displayed shock, disbelief, dismay and refusal that Jinn's attacker was a Sith Lord . They could not bring themselves to accept that the Sith survived and returned. And it was coming from Jinn, a Jedi Master that seemed to be at odds with the Council for deeds largely unknown in the film and he seems something of a problem and rebel or at least has his own code that was often at odds with the orthodox views of the Jedi Council. Jinn was more into the Living Force, while the others were not. And he was basically speaking heresy since the orthodox view was that the Sith were extinct and never were coming back and that was that - the Jedi Council would or could not admit their own fear and failure to detect such an evil power returning as it would mean a failure also to protect the Republic and the people they served, and that was something only later after Jinn's death did they admit to themselves that the Sith have returned and later on that their ability to use the Force had diminished.

 

I know this isn't canon anymore , but yoda and others had personally encountered dark Jedi in about 188 BBY, comparatively recent by the Phantom Menace. The dark side wasn't obsolete.

 

None of these answers make sense when you consider the fact that neither Kylo nor Snoke are Sith...

Sithism is a code, a religion, an ideology. There is nothing about being powerful in the force and being able to slay jedi that makes a dark sider a sith.
It's like concluding that a man with a gun is part of the IRA. He could be mafia, he could be under cover police, he could be a random person wielding a gun.

IMO unless there's something more solid in canon, is that it was just a lucky guess/they weren't really aware of any other possibilities.

 

Yes Darth Maul was cut in half and died in the film, that is how Lucas wrote and filmed TPM. Lucas told Filoni that continuity is for wimps, which implies he will freely change and alter plot elements to fit the story he wants to tell. He won't alter his story to fit preexisting plot elements he established, and he is not the only writer who operated that way.

Maul was brought back on TCW at the same time TPM was re-released in 3D. Maul's return is very likely just cross marketing tie in for TCW to TPM's re-release.

As for the old EU and LFL licencing, Lucas stated more than once the EU was a alternate universe that was separate from "his" film universe. He also said the EU was free to go off on its own tangents away from the films within a few limits. Lucas also said the EU was another SW universe that he has no involvement in as it is not his universe. It is clear he had a duality canon.

Another thing to keep in mind is that canon and continuity are not the same thing. Canon is simply the level of officiality, not a measure of how well s story fits into a continuity, and that more that one line of continuity can be official. Multiple lines of continuity can exist and be the same level as canon even though they exist independently of each other.

 

Not really. They took advantage of both things being released around the same timeframe, but one wasn't done because of the other.

 

Lucas never considered the show to be EU. He considered it to be canon to his own film universe.

 

Why would you care, if you don't watch TCW and Rebels?
As far as the movies are concerned, Maul died on Naboo.

 

One reason to care is because some fans act that TCW overrides the PT.

 

I saw no condescension on his part. If Avnar only cares about the events of the movies, then Maul did die on Naboo.

 

I did not mean to bash other people's opinions. Because there are some conflicts in continuity in various SW material, fans have different opinions of which material takes precedent. Sadly this leads to some fan conflicts on what has greater precedent, the films, newer material, etc? My personal opinion is we should just accept not everything meshes together as well as we may like and recognize there are some differences in various SW materials that cannot be resolved. I agree we should not bash other fans for liking a different aspect of Star Wars than we do. Maul did die in the live action PT, but he lived in TCW animated series, neither is right or wrong, just different.

 

TCW does not override the PT, no more than RO and the ST overrides the OT. Hell, people make the argument that the PT overrides the OT. If Lucas wanted to have Maul survive, which he did and then have him die later on, which is still expected to happen, then there's nothing wrong with that. You can dislike it just like people dislike Stormtroopers being clones, slave Anakin and Midichlorians, but it does not override a thing. And is as equal to the films as the films are to each other.

 

How can you be sure about this ? Did you see his dead body ? Did you see his half body not moving and not making any attempt to live ? It's illogical to say Maul died for %100 in the movies, this is a fantasy / science-fiction movie, and people can survive from something like bisection, heck even people turning into ghosts, which is less plausible.

No he didn't. You didn't see where Maul falls, and you didn't see what happened to Maul afterwards, all you see Maul is falling to the core with half body, we didn't see the rest.

 

But he doesn't appear in any of the future movies.
So if he only cares about the films, then Maul did die there, there's no contradiction.

 

As far as the movies go, he did die. Only when you take TCW into consideration do you learn that he didn't die after all. If a person doesn't take it into consideration, then there's nothing to argue about.

 

With that logic, Dooku was dead in TPM because he didn't appear in the movie. Ventress never appeared in the AotC and RotS, she was still alive back then. Quinlan Vos as well etc.

And I asked how ? How do you know he died when he fall ? Did you see his face ? Did you see where he falls ?

 

No. Dooku was a non-entity in TPM. He didn't exist yet. Only in AotC do we learn of his existence. Ventress, as far as the movies go, doesn't exist either. Vos does exist, since he's mentioned in RotS.

"But which one was destroyed? The master or the apprentice?"

Also, the person who created the characters and did the movie confirmed it at the time.

Only when TCW was in development did he decide to bring Maul back.

 

Yes, that's my point. Being a non-entity at the time doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Maul was a non-entity in the RotS storyline, that doesn't mean he didn't take a part in the Clone Wars. There are thousands of star systems were fighting during the Clone Wars which is also RotS, they couldn't show every instance.

That doesn't confirm that Maul is dead for %100, it confirms that the Jedi thought Maul is destroyed. Mace wasn't even there when Maul falls. And they could be wrong, just like Ki-Adi Mundi and Mace was wrong about the survival of the Sith.

Ki-Adi-Mundi : ''Impossible! The Sith are extinct! They have been for nearly a millenium. ''
Mace : ''I agree. The Sith would not have returned without us sensing it.''

But they were still alive, as you can see Mace isn't always correct.

The person who created the characters says Maul survived later, he changed his mind for the Episode I. His last decision is Maul survived the Episode I.



You can see him in ; 00:35

Doesn't matter when he is deciding to, he says Maul survived that fall and injury later, nothing confirms that Maul was dead at the end of Episode I.

 

Yes it does, until it's revealed otherwise.

If you only take the movies into account, he was destroyed in TPM, therefore he didn't take a part in any future events. He wasn't a non-entity. He existed and died before RotS.

That's what happened once you've learned that he returned in TCW. Otherwise the Jedi were in a much better position than you, the audience, to make that statement.

Because he made TCW and decided to bring him back. If you only take the movies into account, Maul died. If you take TCW into account, Maul lives. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

So you think only the RotS cast were exist in the entire galaxy which consists of thousands of star systems during the RotS events ? Alright...

Jedi were in a much better position when they thought that the Sith were destroyed for %100 either, but they were wrong.

No he wasn't destroyed. We didn't even know if he survived or not, which is why people were writing non-canon comic books like ''Old Wounds'' which took no part in Lucas' decision on Maul's survival in TCW.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Wounds
Writer : Aaron McBride - Written in : 2005

Aaron wasn't sure about Maul's death in Episode I, I wasn't sure either. This is Star Wars universe, not a real life story.

No, if you take the movies into account some people were not sure about Maul's death, like me or like Aaron McBride. Lucas later confirmed in TCW that Maul actually survived the Episode I, which sealed the deal.

 

it wasn't the only such story - this Legends story:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phantom_Menaces

had a scientist claiming to have retrieved Darth Maul's living remains, and kept the brain alive (or possibly resuscitated it). Luke fights a solid-state hologram controlled by the brain of possibly-Maul.

 

What?! No, stop making stuff up.

And we know they weren't destroyed because the movies show it to us.

Yes, we do, because it's stated both in the movie and by the person who created it. Only later that same person decided to bring him back.

Old Wounds was not written based on Lucas' future decision nor was Lucas' decision to bring Maul back had anything to do with Old Wounds. Licensed fan-fiction of 'what if' stories are irrelevant to this discussion.

Yes, he was sure. He simply made up a 'what-if' story.