Saga Watching the Star Wars Saga Eps I-VI for the first time

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  1. PiettsHat Force Ghost

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    To be honest, that's why I always advocate that you watch them in numerical order. Because as great as "I am your father is," it doesn't fundamentally change anything about the characters. Luke is still Luke -- he's the same Luke he's always been and his parentage doesn't change who he is. Just like Vader is still Vader and still responsible for his evil deeds regardless of the fact that he is the protagonists' father. But ROTS takes our characters in directions that are very rare for children's entertainment -- especially Anakin, which is why I think I'm so fascinated by his character.

    Maybe adults would cotton on to the fact that Anakin was going to fall...I don't know. But I think it's tough for kids to envision that or, at least, it was for me.
  2. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    I can't think of any either. Even in mythology/classic literature, a tragic hero's fall usually means, literally, death (sometimes suicide after committing some heinous act such as Othello). Was there any other saga where an essentially good guy turns into pure evil and stays evil for half of the story?
  3. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    One thing I like about 4-5, 1-3, 6 theory is that, oddly, a lot of the setup of ROTS, aside from Obi-Wan & Vader facing off again about halfway through ep. 4, actually pays off in Jedi. Because ROTS builds up the Emperor as the main, big bad guy especially by the end and then he kinda disappears for 2 movies, so that payoff is more immediate. And you can wrap your head around Vader's conflict in Ep. 6 if you come out of the PT directly into it. Also, really, really long Anakin Skywalker in his prime flashback I think is just a cool and interesting way to do it. I love Sith but it's not a very complete ending, it's transitional, it's a cliffhanger, it's a downer, so get closer to the redemption in ROTJ on the heels of that.
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  4. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Oh! Another question: Did you ever suspect that Palpatine was Darth Sideous or Sideous's sith apprentice or a politician that Sideous was influencing or none of the above?
  5. PiettsHat Force Ghost

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    No, I didn't realize Palpatine was Darth Sidious or related to the Sith until ROTS. Part of this I'll attribute to the fact that I didn't ruminate on the topic much at all. But there's also the fact that Palpatine was a rather minor character, so the thought never popped into my head that he and Sidious were one in the same.

    That said, I was rather perturbed when Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill Dooku and by the time he and Anakin had their chat at the opera, I figured it out. It didn't surprise me nearly on the same level as Anakin's turn, though, since it was a much more conventional plot twist.
  6. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    It's interesting to hear that people who watch the whole way through for the first time don't recognize the mouth, nose and voice of Sidious as similar to Palpatine's...mainly the mouth. It always bothered me that Lucas allowed the audience to see the bottom half of Sidious's face, because I always thought it looked rather obviously like Palpatine.
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  7. CoolyFett Force Ghost

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    Too nice? That kid was trouble from the time Qui Gon walked into Wattos shop. Anakin is the same person in all 6 movies. He is over confident, demanding, insecure, arrogant, loyal to loved ones, confused. Look at how he talks at Qui Gon at the dinner table, look at how he talks to Sebulba to his face, listen to how he questions Yoda in the console, look at that mean mug he gives Mace when Mace Rejects him, Maybe they should have left the greeda beatdown scene in?
  8. CoolyFett Force Ghost

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    They basically tell the audiece that Palpatine is the dark lord at Qui Gons funeral.
  9. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Yes, that's the other thing that bothered me. But I'm amazed at how many casual viewers (non-star wars hardcores) came away from TPM not making the connection.
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  10. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    You tend not to see that when you watch the saga 1-6.
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  11. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    Just like Anakin's moodiness doesn't seem like foreshadowing of his fall.
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  12. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    There's a difference between moodiness and having the same lower face and voice of another character
  13. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    What are you referring to?
  14. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Recognizing that Sidious is Palpatine
  15. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    Oh, that. I don't think first time viewers notice this until ROTS. You don't normally look at the chin when you see a person's face in full.
  16. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    I'm still astounded. I mean there's also the mouth, the nose, the voice, and the fact that usually in mysteries, people try to guess who the mystery culprit is, so one would think you'd be looking for those features in other characters
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  17. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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  18. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    What can I say, I guess we need to conduct an experiment with a statistically significant number of Star Wars 'virgins' to see what the result is. I doubt kids will catch it though.
  19. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    So far, with PiettsHat, the score is 1-0, "Not Catching"
  20. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    None of the kids I watched it with caught it during TPM. One claimed to realize it during AOTC though.
  21. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Sidious was only in one scene as Sidious in that movie. Was it during that ending scene?
  22. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    I don't know. I didn't ask questions until after the end of ROTJ; I asked them whether they figured out that Palpatine and Darth Sidious were the same person during TPM, and they all said no, but one of them added that she figured it out during the second movie.
  23. PiettsHat Force Ghost

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    In all honesty, I might have stood a better chance of catching it if I had had a three-year waiting period between finishing TPM and starting AOTC.

    As it was, my thoughts were more along the lines of "LET'S WATCH THE NEXT ONE!" than anything else. :p
  24. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Sidious was in no less than five scenes.
  25. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    As Palpatine, but as Sidious, he only in that one scene at the end when Dooku arrived back in Coruscant
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