ST We Must Stop with the Mary Sue Putdowns

The absolutely most frightening creation that ever came out of star wars wasn't the death star, or the rancor, or the sarlaac pit, or even vader or the emperor. None of these pale in comparison to the FanBoys who are so enamored by the Prequels that they nitpick everything to death in TFA. With regard to the script and storylines of the PT's, someone close to Lucas should have told him to

 

When you "learn" how to deflect blaster bolts blind within a matter of seconds, I call that easy peasy lemon squeezy and the quickest lesson ever

 

Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt, DD. No, my words were imperfectly composed, it's true, and I apologize for inadvertently ruffling feathers, but it's also true that I said them out a genuine need, first, to connect with the person behind the position, and then to understand the position, and at the end of the process I came away with a better understanding of the person and even respect for her position. It isn't necessary that I agree completely with it, just that I grant it validity alongside my own and respect what it is based in for her. Can anyone ask for better?

 

What's Rey meant to do in ep8?

Get betterer at beating Kylo?

Luke's character has no where to progress to at the end of ROTJ, the same has happened with Rey. All you can really get is her beating Kylo, something we've already seen.

 

If that is the limit of your imagination of where this can go, I am truly sorry.

 

But lame little Ani was built as some messianic once in a life time demi-god. . .for some weird reason [Wasn't he just some old dude in a suit?]

Rey is. . .Rey. All those other comparisons come from people expecting the movie to "rhyme" with the older ones.

What I find funny is that people are using the PT as a template for Rey's character when for the longest time people were whining about how VII needs to be more like the OT.

The world of SWs fandom makes no sense.

 

And what is the "just right" amount of power, pray tell, Goldilocks? We see Rey get left on the planet when she's about 5 yrs. old. Do you know how much Jedi training she had before that moment? No?! Why not?! Perhaps the memory of her Force training was "re-awakening" within her. Do you put limitations on what the Force can do?

 

I can't get behind the whole "maybe theyll explain it so the movie makes sense at a later time" argument. Its simply bad film making

 

You must really hate ESB then.

 

yeah. I'm kind of just being optimistic.

But at least he was shown being INSTUCTED.

I can't believe these arguments you guys are making. They're terrible.

 

You must not like a lot of franchise series then.

 

You assume she can't progress because you haven't watched Ep 8 yet. Come on, you're judging her in ONE film compared to Luke in THREE. ESB was a bolt out of the blue. It reinvented everything we assumed from Star Wars. I was there. 8 years old.

It was real. All of it.

 

Exactly! shes already bested the main villain! What is the point?

 

Same.

It's the Mind-Trick of the stormtrooper and the telekinesis of the Lightsaber. Not the fight. It could be explained later, though.

Still, even if it is explained. It's a Mary Sue-ism. Just because it's all explained and justified doesn't make the character's journey a great story. It's a generic adventure story with a powerful protagonist that BARELY struggles/suffers.

It's the story that suffers when a character isn't relatable. I don't find Rey or TPM Anakin relatable, like someone said: they kind of feel just like mechandise props and not characters.

Leia is a great character because she can handle herself AND needs help. It's the give and take character interactions that make the story.
Rey is an okay character because she handles herself all on her own or nearly so. Seems too one-sided. She saves the day, all day, every day.

 

Name a film franchise where the main character got his/her power by doing nothing AND the film makers chose to not explain it in that film...
Just saying, Superman wouldve been VERY confusing if they neglected to tell the Krypton story and just started with him at the daily planet

 

Psst. He's not the main villain.

"Doing nothing" is where you are wrong.

 

What makes you think Kylo is the main villain? He's a lame duck at best, and seriously wounded to boot. He's like a little puppet to Snoke.

The main problem is you see Kylo as this main bad ass Maul-like villain. He's nothing of the sort.

He's not even as tough as Maul's long lost little brother Lenny Maul.

He's just a kid with a hand made saber, helmet and a nice looking cloak. He's already been exposed as a fraud.

 

Star Wars is pretty simple in it's ways.

When you see the Starkiller with X-Wings racing towards it you know what's going to happen.

 

A Mary Sue is a perfect character with no flaws. But Rey is not perfect and she does have flaws:

1) tries to poison the intruders on the Falcon but it doesn't work
2) tries to save the day and accidentally lets the Rathtars free
3) tries to shoot with the safety on

And that's the surface stuff. Then you get into:
Her good-natured naivety:
1) Waiting for a family that deep down you know isn't coming back.
2) Choosing not to sell BB-8 when surely she should've realized that he was way too nice a droid without someone wanting to get their hands on him. Not arguing here that she should have sold him, just arguing that she should not have been surprised when thugs were coming to steal him.
3) Running after a tentacled monster much larger than her.

I mean yes she is brave, admirably brave. But at what point do you draw the line between bravery and foolishness? I mean that's a great thing to explore even more than previous SW films have. I don't think Rey is a flat character at all, and I certainly don't think she is perfect.

 

When exactly was Luke instructed in how to wield a lightsaber in a duel? At least Rey was already highly skilled and experienced in weapon combat.

Also lets not forget that a half trained Luke still got multiple shots in against Darth Vader (who is a powerful Sith lord and would utterly annihilate Kylo Ren) in the ESB duel.

 

Kid with a lightsaber trained by Snoke and possibly Luke.

 

Neither one of them finished training him either. How'd that work out for Luke in ESB? Didn't finish with Yoda and Kenobi.

 

1. In between ANH and ESB after he learned the basics of the force on the MF, and he still got his butt handed to him.

2. He STILL got his butt handed to him.

Why are people forgetting these things?

 

Snoke is a disposable character.

They've taken the very obvious Vader/Emperor relationship and rehashed it.

Except this time Luke beat Vader in the first movie.