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Well, changing ANH music confirmed, kinda. Sorry, Imrahil

Discussion in 'Star Wars And Film Music' started by IAmTheDarkSide, Apr 17, 2002.

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  1. Imrahil2001

    Imrahil2001 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The problem with re-recording something that was done originally 25 years ago is that you'll never get the tempo done the same way, or the instrumentation, or whatever. I think it will probably happen, but it'll sound different.

    Ims
     
  2. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think with the film and previous scores as a guide, they could get it pretty darn close to the original versions. I guess I am enough of a sound quality and audio snob that I would rather have pristine new recordings than the old bad ones...

    :D

     
  3. GasCabbie

    GasCabbie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Nothing is ever truly confirmed in the world of George Lucas, not until it happens.

    He said in Maxim he'd only redo the Original Trilogy to repackage for a new audience. Then Williams says in Score that Lucas is quite serious about redoing the OT's music, effects, etc into a unified work. I don't trust one source more than the other, so I'll reserve my judgment until something precipitates.
     
  4. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Quite honestly I think GasCabbie has the right frame of mind here. Nothing is official until it is complete and in my hands or in theatres.

     
  5. DarthHomer

    DarthHomer Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Indeed? Do they entirely remove or insert characters? Remove or insert chapters, whole bits of dialogue? Change settings? Change descriptions?
    What you're talking about is equivalent to fixing up things like a boom mic dropping into frame or a bad edit--technical, not stylistic.
    Huge difference.


    It has happened. Stephen King's revised version of The Stand is quite different from the original book (adding and removing characters, updating the setting), and it's the only version available now. Lucas isn't the only special edition freak :)
    Anyway, I approve of the Imperial March being added somewhere in ANH, because it's rather silly to have only one Star Wars film where the theme doesn't appear in some form.
     
  6. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Good point, DarthHomer.
     
  7. dehrian

    dehrian Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [link=http://www.nenya.net/dehrian/deathstar.mp3]Here's[/link] an example of how it could be done without changing anything. The timing is off by a couple seconds, but it gives you an idea.
     
  8. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    dehrian excellent work. That would be exactly what I would do. Although I would do another flourish of Vader's theme as he walks away.

    Nice job.
     
  9. rodan70

    rodan70 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    A New Hope would be the only movie with out The Imperial March. Should he change it now?

    No spoilers, please, rodan70.
     
  10. jastermereel

    jastermereel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Darth Homer......i had heard that the different versions of the stand were becuase the original (a moderately early work of his) was excessively long and that the editor/publisher wouldn't accept it in that form so it was edited down a great deal for release...but when he became big and famous that he released the unedited (some might call bloated) version...
     
  11. islandjoe

    islandjoe Jedi Youngling star 1

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    question for strilo-

    do you mean in Ben's house/"hut" in ANH, you would like the Marchto underscore the speech about who Luke's Dad was? Interesting. Perhaps, though, Anakin's theme from TPM would be more subtle. But it does rely more heavily on the Father Angle than ANH gets around to.

    And is someone suggesting the DOTF theme should be added to the duel in ANH or when Vader thinks about "the presence he hasn't felt since..."?

    Joe

     
  12. islandjoe

    islandjoe Jedi Youngling star 1

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    You know, I actually think we're going to hear yet a third version of the music closing ROTJ. The new music was nice, although it was thematically unrealted to anything. That's fine, and I like it better than the old song, and maybe it suggests a new world ahead.

    But, I think the music could refer to the musical cues from the whole six films somehow and reflect the summing up of SW really nicely.

    And then, would we have to consider THAT the real ending? All these versions can get you confused as to what SW is!

    Joe
     
  13. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    question for strilo-

    do you mean in Ben's house/"hut" in ANH, you would like the Marchto underscore the speech about who Luke's Dad was?


    Yes exactly. A very subtle and quiet statement of Vader's theme. It's dark nature and association with Vader make it the perfect theme to underscore Kenobi's comments which focus more on Vader than they do Anakin.
     
  14. Imrahil2001

    Imrahil2001 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    This scene already has the Imperial theme being played sotto voce on clarinets.

     
  15. Miz

    Miz Jedi Youngling star 2

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    But isn't this the stormtrooper theme? It says this in the SE sleeve analysis, doesn't it?
     
  16. Imrahil2001

    Imrahil2001 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I don't think so. Accordign to the original liner notes it was just the Imperial theme (ala "Imperial Attack").

    Ims
     
  17. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes but it needs VADER'S THEME. I think that's more fitting for that moment.
     
  18. Imrahil2001

    Imrahil2001 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    *shrugs*

    If you say so:)

    I hope Lucas doesn't see it your way, to be honest.

    Ims
     
  19. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd bet money that this is one of the places they change the score. Who knows I could be wrong...
     
  20. Imrahil2001

    Imrahil2001 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It could be, could be. I rather liked the suggestion for the "dead air" point later, but...you're right, unfortunately. This makes thematic sense.

    Ims
     
  21. Strilo

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    Oh I absolutely think they should add more score during some of the quiet moments in the film. There are some that should remain without score but there are a lot that I could go for some cool John Williams touch.
     
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