Lit Well, Lit is our last stronghold which hasn't been penetrated by Disney.

Discussion in 'Literature' started by IG_2000, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. Kev Snowmane Jedi Master

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    At the same time, Marvel has cancelled a number of joint ventures with "outside" (ie, non-Disney) companies (W&TXM with Nick, EMH with CN, etc) with the intent that their "successors" , if any, would be done "in house" with other Disney subsidiaries.

    The strategy is pure bean-counter politics. Deny profits to a competitor even if that means denying some profits to yourself as well. Just so long as you are confident that you are in a strong position without those profits.

    Simplified example:

    Company A does joint media project with Company B. The project is a big hit and very profitable.

    Company A is otherwise in good shape, so their share of the profits is "gravy". Company B is struggling, and the profits from the joint venture are allowing it to at least "break even". W/o the profits, Company B is losing money.

    Company A knows two things at this point: 1) there is a market for the venture and 2) losing the venture's profits puts Company B at a SEVERE disadvantage in terms of attracting investors.

    In corporation think, the obvious thing for A to do is cancel the joint venture and either: 1) introduce a follow-on venture done entirely "in house", which allows A to capture ALL of the profits or 2) simply sit on the venture and take a survivable hit so long as that hit hurts B more.

    That is why, for example at Marvel, they canned W&TXM and didn't replace it. The X-universe is actively downplayed in media tie ins because Fox owns the IP rights to most of the X-universe. Marvel doesn't want Fox to get good publicity and/or viewership based on Marvel's promotion of X-properties in multi-media. Mavel doesn't get the profits from a successful X-show, but they really don't need them as the film franchises are making money hand over fist.
  2. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    [UncleOwen]That's what I'm afraid of.[/UncleOwen]
  3. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    Quite, I tend to agree that mass successes aren't easy to create or maintain - there's a great deal of luck involved too, look at Boba Fett.
  4. Sable_Hart Force Ghost

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    You have to find it first, Bob.
  5. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    Must they really crush my Lit? I came here as this is the last safe haven. I thought that Lit and comics were so insignificant in the grand scheme to Disney.

    I desperately hope Dark Horse keeps their license, and to a lesser extent, Del Rey.

    They have denied the 3D saga and the clone wars. Don't deny me Legacy 2.0 and Dark Times!
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  6. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    >Armored Adventures still on Nick
  7. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    Guys.

    I'm going to sabotage your shields.
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  8. beccatoria Force Ghost

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    Their last major crossover event was Avengers vs X-Men? Fox owns the rights Spider-man, too, but there doesn't seem to be any sidelining of him as a major character either in the comic books or tie-in material - toys, stage shows, animation, etc.

    I mean, I'm as worried as the next fan about what Disney'll offhandedly decide to do, and "better it stay in-house than go to the competition" is a valid point to raise, because they'd rather Marvel publish SW comics than DH even if DH give the franchise more care and attention/get better sales?

    I just don't see that Spider-man or the X-Men are being particularly downplayed by Marvel right now.
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  9. DarkEagle Jedi Grand Master

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    I posted this in another thread:

    Disneyland surveying for Star Wars park

    Of particular note:
  10. Lazy Storm Trooper Jedi Grand Master

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    This deal is getting worse all the time.
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  11. Mechalich Force Ghost

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    While I suspect the point @Kev Snowmane has made explains a driver behind the strategic move by Disney it still seems very high risk to me.

    Looking at these things I always come back around to the question of: What if the movies are terrible?

    Star Wars is a huge global brand of course, and the international appeal of science fiction and blockbuster film-making even if the movies are awful (Battleship) means that unless someone really screws up in the marketing department a la John Carter the new films will turn a profit. That being said, the kind of sustained monetization that can be attributed to a true media phenomenon, the enduring Star Wars brand, could be irrevocably damaged by making lousy films. This already happened with the Prequels.

    The presence of an on-going, durable EU, spread across many media forms and multiple points in the timeline helps to buffer Star Wars against the vortex of fanbase drain that any one particular bad product might induce. To give a personal example - over the past year the ongoing general awesomeness of TOR has really kept me interested in Star Wars despite such travesties as FotJ.
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  12. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    I keep wondering about that myself.

    If Lucas himself had had faith in his own outline, he wouldn't have sold up, he'd have taken the risk with his own money. But he didn't do that. He took the low risk option, took the money, and ran. That's... not really a good sign, when the guy who had the ideas didn't himself want to risk his own money on it. Consequently, that's why I'm not expecting anything exactly high risk from the sequels. But even playing it safe doesn't always work out. Take Brian Wood's series: the very same people who had been hoping for a reboot have since stopped buying it, not just because it wasn't a reboot, but because they felt they'd seen it all before. But that's what franchise fiction is. It's derivative.

    A Spiderman film will always be a Spiderman film, no matter who's wearing the outfit. If people are bored of Spiderman, then they're bored of Spiderman.

    However, most reboots have at least enjoyed the benefit of a bit of a break. Take Batman. It had been the best part of a decade when Batman Begins came out, but Star Wars won't enjoy the benefit of that kind of a relaunch when it's still only recently had such a high profile campaign as TOR or the mass marketing that TCW has enjoyed. Those things didn't target EU communities: they both targeted the mass market, not KOTOR or Genndy fans. In contrast, when Batman Begins came out, I hardly even remember the earlier films as I'd been too young. TCW, though directly targeted a younger fanbase, so in a few years, when they're all a bit older, they'll be the ones a new film trilogy aimed at teenagers will be aimed at.

    But whether the main heroine being the equivalent of a 20-year-old Ahsoka is what the world really wants, and not just something that'll just be a fifteen minute wonder like TCW itself, remains 50/50. If nothing else, I'm expecting all the people who come to Lit to bash the EU will also be the ones who end up hating the ST, because they're trying to relive their OT nostalgia, and that is not what the ST will be, because it isn't being written for the 1970s generation.
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  13. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    Yes, it is and SW EU has got itself into quite a hole in trying to defy that very nature.

    The best EU works combine that derivative sense of familiarity with a fresh mixing of the elements, thus we get great stories like KOTOR, Mindor, TTT. Stories that are definitely SW and have a sense of familiarity but also plough new ground, it's not either-or but both. Go in either extreme and you get a dull rehash everyone sees through or something so radical that it's a story that's had the name SW slapped on it, but that's the only connection to SW it actually has.
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  14. Manisphere Force Ghost

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    Remember TPM and AOTC? There's your answer.

    But seriously, Lucas is a 69 year old man. I don't think it was a matter of risk. Lucas has done a lot of risk taking in his career. I think he wanted his cake and to eat it too. And why not? His own continuing story that is written and directed by other artists. Just like ESB and ROTJ. 4 billion and a hand in the new trilogy? What sexagenarian could say no?
  15. Lazy Storm Trooper Jedi Grand Master

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    Little off topic but I am just so mad at Disney right now.
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  16. spicer Jedi Grand Master

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    Thus far Disney "got rid" of TCW (good riddance I say), and (possibly soon) LA, which lets be honest, the last couple of years was releasing terrible products. Also the 3D rereleases, which is nothing special IMO, considering that TPM 3D was average at best. So it got rid of the "bad" SW stuff, which gives me hope they'll keep the brilliant Dark Horse. As for Del Rey, I can't say anything, since I haven't read a SW book in years.
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  17. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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    And the movie comes out in 2015. They can and probably will milk the fandom for money until opening day when it all becomes non-canon.
  18. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Wut
  19. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    LITIZENS! WE MUST STORM DISNEYLAND!!! RELEASE THE CANON!
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  20. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Wait it means their expanding the EU?

    So much for killing canon
  21. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    OMGZ U GUYZ WHAT IF DISNEY BUYZ DARK HORSE AND THAT'S RANDY'S ANNOUNCEMENT!? [face_hypnotized]
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  22. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    I'd say it would make the Star Wars fans happy, but not the Dark Horse fans.
  23. Manisphere Force Ghost

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    Maybe Randy is getting married! Maybe that's the announcement!
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  24. darthcaedus1138 Force Ghost

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    [IMG]

    A part of me is incredibly heartened by the fact that while everything around it is cancelled or aborted, the EU has yet to feel any real cuts. I wish that the high ups at Disney are secretly EU fans, and are clearing the path of all the things that got in the way of continuity over the years.

    But invariable the new movies will come and crush that hope. But for now, that's what I'm seeing.
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  25. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Oh man, that. Would. Be. Awesome. Might give me a reason to move back to SoCal.

    Seriously awesome.

    And the notion of being secretly EU friendly after all this panic amuses me to no end. After all, the Star Tours ride is FULL of EU references.
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