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Were Nute Gunray and the other Seperatist leaders aware of Order 66 ?

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by TopSpeeD, Dec 10, 2005.

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  1. TopSpeeD

    TopSpeeD Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I tought about it yesterday..didn't Nute Gunray and the other Seperatist leaders aware that all the Jedi (well almost) have been killed?were they aware of the clones actions?
     
  2. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    They were probably given some clue that the Jedi were killed, after Order 66 was done. But I doubt they knew in advance, if at all. The knowledge would be too tempting to use, should something happen before it could be implemented.
     
  3. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    NUTE GUNRAY: The plan has gone as you had promised, My Lord.

    I'd say he knew about the Jedi's demise, but not Order 66

    - O_F
     
  4. sccrman95

    sccrman95 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What he said.


    Sccrman95
     
  5. sithrules70

    sithrules70 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    nuff said
     
  6. TopSpeeD

    TopSpeeD Jedi Youngling star 2

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    They arent surprised that the clones killed the jedi?c'mon?
     
  7. Count-Tyranus

    Count-Tyranus Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Why would they be told? It would only be a security risk. After all, San Hill was captured.
     
  8. RolandofGilead

    RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd say that Order 66 was a Republic secret known only to Clone Commanders and Palpatine. That's something they'd never want to fall into the wrong hands. ;)
     
  9. Count-Tyranus

    Count-Tyranus Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Did Dooku know about Order 66? Were the clones ordered to obey all Sith Lords or only Sidious?
     
  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It was probably only to the head of the Republic that the Clone Army answers to. Unless and until the Chancellor/Emperor gives authority to another, they must ultimately answer to Palpatine. Only Palpatine, Vader and the officers have the authority.
     
  11. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    No...I think that if Tyrannus somehow overthrew Sidious he could have gotten a hold of Order 66 as well.

    As for the Seperatist leaders, I believe that they knew Darth Sidious was working from within the Republic, and probably knew he had something really nasty planned for the Jedi, but not the details.
     
  12. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    I also think that the Separatists knew Sidious was working within the Republic. I doubt the Separatists knew about Order 66, it really wouldn't make a difference. But I doubt if they knew if at all about the clones turning on the Jedi. Sidious was a very secretive character, and had betrayed Nute time and time again. So, Grevious, Poggle, Nute, and the others don't have a place to know anything. Sidious never even met them face to face so why would he tell them about order 66?
     
  13. Master Chbel

    Master Chbel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I very much doubt the Separatist leaders knew Sidious' real plan and they definitely didn't know about Order 66. And I doubt they knew the clones had turned on the Jedi: the leaders died before that information arrived at Mustafar.
     
  14. Lord_Porkins

    Lord_Porkins Jedi Youngling

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    As far as I could see they were never aware that the Jedi were wiped out, that's why Sidious sent them to Mustafar so they could not see what was about to happen. Not to mention they would be trapped in a place that there is almost no way they could survive in, outside of the Complex they were in. They were like Fish in a Barrel.
    Besides why he let anyone other than those absolutely on a need to know basis, have knowledge of the complete plan. Dooku only knew part of the plan grevious only knew part, it makes sense that the separatist would only know their part. They were all pawns until Sidious had the republic in check.
     
  15. DarthWolvo23

    DarthWolvo23 Jedi Master star 4

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    i assumed whilst on mustafar sidious contacted the leaders telling them something like "soon the jedi will be betrayed, the war will end, i will rule the galaxy and offer u peace"

    the leaders were watching footage of the war on their maps and wouldve seen the clones betray the jedi

    when vader arrives on mustafar they think he is there to help them and nute even says "lord sidious offered us peace"

    up until this off screen contact between sidious & the separatists i dont think they knew about order 66 though
     
  16. Lord_Kosh

    Lord_Kosh Jedi Master star 3

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    I would think it doubtful at best that the Seperatist leaders new anything about Order 66. Dooku may not have even known of this. He is killed before it is revealed, so I don't think we'll ever know for sure. He certainly had some knowledge of the clones...the first batch at least....the ones that were for the Republic. But the others...indicated by the Clone makers on Camino refering to "this...is for the republic" implies there is another batch that is NOT. If Dooku didn't know, there would be no reason to tell the seperatists that such an order was implanted in the clones' genetic makeup.

    I would doubt that anyone outside the cloners on Camino and Sidious had any idea of this order. I don't think the seperatists even knew Dooku was Tyrannus, much less ever pre-arranging Order 66 with Sidious. If so, they were far too cowardly to withhold it from the Jedi if captured. So again, why would they be told, or how would they find out. Sidious would have as much reason to tell Nute Gunray of Order 66 as he would to inform Jar Jar Binks of Order 66.

    If they knew, and couldn't put two and two together to figure Sidious would betray them too, they were not fit to use Jar Jar's robe. In fact, I wonder why Dooku couldn't put it together that "Always two there are, not more, no less. A master and an apprentice." So if Sith Lord Sidious is looking at Anakin as a new apprentice, ...hmmmm...what do we think is going to happen to Dooku? When your boss is hunting for a replacement, his plans for you can't be all that good. But I guess that is another discussion.
     
  17. sabarte

    sabarte Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Dooku ordered the clones directly. He knew they were for his master, and I'm sure he knew exactly what they were for, as he presumably supplied the specifications, along with Jango Fett. 10:1 he financed the whole thing too.
     
  18. TopSpeeD

    TopSpeeD Jedi Youngling star 2

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    My point is no if they knew about the existence of ORDER 66..if they where aware of what happend because of it..were they aware many jedi have been killed?if yes,did they knew it was the clones?that seems strange to me...
     
  19. Count-Tyranus

    Count-Tyranus Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I don't see the utility in clueing the CIS leaders into Order 66.

    What purpose would it serve? Sidious operated in a very "need-to-know" basis. They did not need-to-know.
     
  20. Hypernova

    Hypernova Jedi Youngling star 2

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    No way did the CIS leaders know about Order 66.

    The potential for someone to leak the info was to great.
    Only those that needed to know about Order 66 would have been informed.
    Sidious was to clever to slip up.
     
  21. That_Random_Jedi

    That_Random_Jedi Jedi Master star 3

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    Dude, the Separatist leaders weren't aware of much of anything. They were perfect little puppets all along. None of them even suspected the possibility of being backstabbed.
     
  22. Hypernova

    Hypernova Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Everyone was a puppet in Darth Sidious's "game"

    Yoda
    Windu
    The whole Jedi order in fact!
    Anakin
    Padme
    Kenobi
    The Senate
    Dooku
    Maul
    CIS leaders and everyone associated with it.
    Clones
    The cloners of Kamino

    All just puppets and pawns in a larger unseen game.
    All so the Real Dark lord of the Sith can take over the galaxy!

    Incidentally, wasnt Sidious being a bit rash in taking Skywalker as his apprentice?

    I mean, if it hadnt been for the Mustafar injuries, Vader would have turned on Sidious and killed him.
    Sidious spent 20+ years of hard slog to take over the republic only to take on an apprentice who in all probable terms should have gone on and slaughtered him.
     
  23. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    You forgot Jar-Jar and the horse/eopie he rode in on in your list. :p

    Incidentally, wasnt Sidious being a bit rash in taking Skywalker as his apprentice?

    I mean, if it hadnt been for the Mustafar injuries, Vader would have turned on Sidious and killed him.
    Sidious spent 20+ years of hard slog to take over the republic only to take on an apprentice who in all probable terms should have gone on and slaughtered him.


    As he always has, Im willing to bet Sids had a plan to keep Anakin in line. But since Anakin was injured, he didnt have to execute on it, and we'll never know what it was.
     
  24. TopSpeeD

    TopSpeeD Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I'll say it AGAIN.....
    I dont mean if the Seperatist were aware of the existence of an order that palps can give and thus kill all the jedi...i mean if the Seperatist know that many Jedi have been killed.......and if yes do they know the clones did it?didnt it seemed strange to them that the clones betrayed their commanders?

    I know palps didnt inform the Seperatist about that order because it will be too risky and besided palps doesent realy care for them as they are about to die...but c'mon they must have heared rumours or i dunno..something that some Jedi have been killed.
     
  25. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    I'll say it AGAIN.....
    I dont mean if the Seperatist were aware of the existence of an order that palps can give and thus kill all the jedi...i mean if the Seperatist know that many Jedi have been killed.......and if yes do they know the clones did it?didnt it seemed strange to them that the clones betrayed their commanders?


    I believe the Separatists only knew what their droid commanders told them. Which would be very limited information, considering what the droid commanders actually saw. Ki-Adi-Mundi death would be the only one they may have seen. Clones shooting at Obi-Wan would have been a confusing sight. (Maybe they thought the boca went nuts and had to be shot.)
     
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