First, I'm new to this forum so I have no idea if this is even the right spot. Second, this is not a hate-topic against any jedi. I'm just baffled by some of the actions of the Jedi Order during the Old Republic era. For a group of people who were described by Old Obi-Wan as the Guardians of Truth and Justice, the jedi were involved in some shady actions and decisions. If a fan were to go off the Prequel Trilogy by itself, you could make an valid argument on why the Jedi were just as bad as the Sith. First off, Knights of the Old Republic. Exploration into it's backstory reveals that the mandalorians invaded Republic space, bombarded entire planets with billions of people on them and were dominating the Republic forces. When the Republic begged the jedi for help, the jedi refused. They refused to aid the republic that they were created to guard and guide even as said republic was being massacred by a race of war-hungry warriors whom had no intention of stopping or negotiating. They turned their backs on the republic when they were needed and asked for aid. What the hell kind of jedi were these? Sure, the Council will explain that they felt something that caused them to make their decision and were still cautious after the Exar Kun crisis. But how is aiding the besieged republic a path to the dark side? If the Council had decided to act instead of sit then Revan wouldn't have went on his own with a large group of followers and KOTOR never would've happened. Three thousand years later, we come to the end of the Sith Wars after the Battles of Ruusaan. The Ruusan Reforms occur which strip the jedi of all military offices and ranks which isn't too much of a problem seeing as that the sith are apparently gone. But what strikes me is that the Reformation not only places the jedi under the direct supervision of the Supreme Chancillor and Judicial Sectors, but also dictated that training should start from birth and the jedi largely had no problem with this. What the hell kind of jedi were these? By placing themselves under the direct authority of the Republic, the jedi had become trapped by it. Wouldn't being a guardian of peace and justice mean that the jedi would have to act outside of the republic? Now that they're officially tied to it, the jedi were now obstructed by political red-tape and pretty much came to accept the growing corruption of the republic. Then, there's the dictation to train jedi from infancy. I understand training an apprentice from youth since children are more open-minded and teachable then say full-grown adults. But forcing a family to give up an infant and then train the baby as soon as it comes to the temple? That sounds more like brain-washing and less like training. If someone is indoctrinated all their life to accept a way of living without any independent questioning or thought, which makes them less effective in that way of living. Especially in a position like a guardian of peace and justice who is to be intuned with an all-encompassing energy field. Plus, the life-time commitment required to be a jedi just seems cheapened when most of it's members never had a choice in the matter. Then we come to the Prequel Trilogy and problems build from Episode 2 onwards. I leave out Episode 1 because the questionable jedi actions there are explainable. The reason that jedi don't act to stop slavery on Tatooine is because Tatooine is not part of the Republic, they're guardians of truth and justice in the Republic. As bad as slavery is, the jedi don't want to overstep their bounds. Qui-Gon tried to free Anakin's mom, but didn't have enough money and was in a hurry to save a planet suffering from an oppressive occupation. But between Episode 1 and 2, the jedi didn't do anything about Anakin's mom. Why didn't they arrange for her freedom to be bought and therefore allow them to train Anakin in peace (the Chosen One whose future is filled with grave danger). Sure, they'd have to restrict Anakin's visitation with his mom if not outright forbid it, but Anakin wouldn't have been as bratty with more of a peace of mind about his mom. Then the Clone Wars occur and the jedi do two things that should be direct violations of their code. First, they agree to lead an army of illegally commissioned and unethically used clones to fight a war that they know has been arranged by a sith lord whose infiltrated the Republic. They also basically boot out any conscientious objectors and take away their lightsabers. Why? Next, they form an alliance with Jabba the Hutt. Let me say this again. They form an alliance with a known despotic gangster who runs slavery, bounty hunting, human trafficking, gambling and murder rings and the jedi, the guardians of truth and justice...form an alliance with him. WHAT KIND OF JEDI ARE THESE? Sure, you could argue that it was a lesser of two evils circumstance, since Hutt Space is apparently needed for the war effort and it's better to have Jabba on their side than with the Separists. But...then you have the Jedi knowingly compromising tenets of the Jedi Code: The Jedi are the guardians of civilization, yet do not allow civilization to destroy needlessly. So it's okay to lead a war against a group of star systems who want to make their own government due to the corruption and inaction inherent in the system of the Republic...and form an alliance with a criminal organization without doing anything against that organization's actions? Jedi respect each other, and all other life forms. Unless your a clone, a slave or a separist. Thoughts? Am I too harsh? Is there something that I've missed? And no this isn't because I hate morally grey situations. It's just that Jedi are paragons of the light side of the force and yet, we've seen various examples of the order making decisions that seem counter to what they're supposed to be.