What Are Your Immediate First Thoughts When 9-11 Is Mentioned?

If ever the stereotype of the "arrogant New Yorker" was true, you just typified it. Who the hell are you to say something so grossly insensitive as to imply that people at one of the other two TRAGEDIES that day - in this case, Virginians who died at the Pentagon - are somehow less important? Is this your opinion, that New York and a pair of *buildings* is more important then the lives of Virginians?!

Someone asked me a question why the media concentrated more on the WTC than on the Penagon and Flight 93 and I answered. It wasn't an attempt to diminish the lives lost in PA and VA, just an answer to a question. I feel bad for every life lost on 9-11, not just those in my own city. And I consider those who crashed the plane in PA to be national heroes.


If I have misunderstood your statement and it was meant as a conjecture rather than an opinion, disregard the rant. If not, you need to get a clue, and get one fast.

It was a misunderstanding. Once again, it was an attempt to answer someone esle's questions as to why the WTC gets the most attention and the Pentagon gets diminshed (in the media). I was just trying to come up with some reasons, not that I agree with what they are.....

 

Hey Warsloth, I've got a fun word for you;

PROPAGANDA

 

Good one Kenobi.

But all the footage of celebrating Palestinians and whatnot forever destroyed any image of them being largely good people in my mind's eyes. Recently a car bomb killed some Palestinians in a martyr league (it actually had a name like this) and they were all up in arms about it. I guess they forgot how many people they kill each week with suicide bombers. And all the little Palestinian children with dreams of becoming honorable martyrs make me SICK.

Dagger, how many people were dancing, 15-20, and by that you conclude that 3,6 mill palestiniens were happy?. They dont kill people every week. I agree with you that is disgusting that even one person was happy, but again our good old friend over-generalising is at it again.
BTW, I don't think the children want to grow up to be suicide bombers.

"you would probably get raped and beaten as soon as you crossed the border. If you honestly think they are Innocent, go there and see if they dont drag your corpse through the streets"

Warsloth, can you say newly elected US- friendly democratic goverment?. Before sep'11 you didn't even know there was a country named Afghanistan and you sure as hell never heard of the Taliban.

-Mulacki

 

When S11 is mentioned I imagine a far off view of the Twin Towers.

 

None of you know what hypersensitivty means? I'll admit, his idea about dealing with Afghanistan was a bit too far, but he has reasons. You're also right, Palestinians don't kill every week. But those they miss they make up for in the next week. And yes, the children do want to grow up to be suicide bombers. There was a whole street show in one of their cities where 6-10 year old boys and girls were dressed up in camo with ammo belts, mini AK47's and fake C-4 wrapped in aluminum bags strapped all over them, doing little songs and dances like a kindergarten music program. Can you say propaganda? You obviously are on the liberal side of the political gamut, which has it's socialist tendencies. Guess who else was socialist (albeit more extremely so). Hitler. Stalin. Mao Zedong. Fidel Castro. These are the biggest propaganda users in history. Without propaganda, communism never would have been used in real life, WWII never would have been fought, Miami would not be Cuban Immigrant Central (CIC), and the Cold War would be a funny word to us.

Not that you or any other sensible liberal is communist, facist, Nazi, totalitarian, or anything else like that, (sensible meaning you're not extreme, and therefore not extremely out of your mind) but there are weak links between the groups.

 

i first think of the 2nd plane hitting the South Tower, & then the Towers falling down. afterwards, a feeling of utter sadness comes over me.

 

I wish people would stop calling it "9/11". They make it sound like a 24 hour convenience store.

 

Now if it was 7-11, then it WOULD sound like a 24 our convenience store, cause there is such one!

 

Death, anger, and ignorance are the first 3 words that come to mind.

 

Propaganda should be illegal everywhere. It's evil.

 

Call it S11. It doesn't sound...convienient

 

The first thing i think of is two innocent Women New Yorkers running down the middle of the street for their lives.

Other times i see those people who had climbed out of the windows above where the plane had crashed on one of the towers.They were all waving for help that couldn't get there.

The reasons behind it don't come to mind for me immediatley,just the images of these innocent people that i wish i could forget !!!

 

"I'm getting tired of this board, because of all the hypersensitivity getting thrown around. One word or phrase won't kill you, and almost always is not intended to. Minorities do rule America, only because our minorities are more vocal and pushy about the rights they "don't have in common with other Americans." I think the people like that are more racist than the people they call racist (unless you're talking about a Neo-Nazi or a Klansman)." -- council_of_trent

Do you even understand what the term, "minority" truely means? It's not necessarily a physical category, but rather, a social designation. For instance, I'm considered a "minority" because I am female, and yet women make up approximately 51.2% of every natural human population (without intentional intervention). We are, in fact, the majority. And ironically, too many of us still don't get paid the same as men for doing the same work, and there are men who still want to tell all women what we may or may not do with our bodies and reproductive ferility.

Do you consider this "vocal and pushy?" Do you consider asking to have the same rights honored as special rights? Maybe this would be because you're sitting in a position of priviledge and you don't see that raising other people to your standard of expectation isn't a loss of your rights, but an expression or equality. It's not "oversensitivity" if you're the one living the reality, and it's clear that you're been spared from that. Lucky you.

As for racism, I can't say I agree with your statement about persons chosing what amounts to Separatism. Racism and social segregation really isn't just in this country, it's in many places, and has been imposed on humans by other humans since we as a species have lived together in social existence. And unfortunately, your defensive statement about "minorities" is a confirmation that while humans might have evolved into great and wonderous toolmakers, we still, for the most part, seem to be an infant species, both socially and emotionally.

This is what scares me most.

 

Propaganda should be illegal everywhere. It's evil.

Amen to that. Unfortunately, I don't feel that the United States doesn't recognize the 9/11 incident for what truly happened any longer. The gov't is now using it as propaganda to push its new bills and laws. Using what is the most horrific act of violence on U.S. soil as a campaign platform is utter and total blasphemy.

 

Are you a minority? You've given a statistic to prove otherwise. Therefore I wasn't talking about you. Are you a feminist? If not, then there are two things to say that I wasn't talking about you. Not all blacks, hispanics, Chinese, etc. are vocal and pushy. Most of them aren't. It's the ones who are that annoy me. Al Sharpton is now one of the biggest civil rights advocates in the country. Is civil rights a problem anymore? NO. The problem now is whether or not you want to get into the juicy part of the system by actually getting something done, instead of waiting for the government to give you everything. Last time I checked, that was one of the things Communism does, and we're not Communists. MLK, Jr. had something to advocate. There actually was still a problem with it up until the 60's. I'm not racist, separatist, or anything else like that. I'm in a "position of privilege" because of hard work done in my family for generations. No, I'm not rich, but I'm more than comfortable. What you do does affect the future, especially that of your children. If your parents didn't do it for you, you can still bring yourself back up. Stay through school, find a way to go to college, then get a good-paying job in something you now specialize in. I was listening to a radio talkshow yesterday, and a black lady called in and was talking about the extreme stupidity of some of these civil rights advocates in schools. They think that all students should have an equal opportunity to be in the advanced classes. Sure, I think so, too. But what they wanted to do was lower the standard of those advanced classes, so it was no different from regular classes, thus taking away the opportunity of students who are there because they try. This lady's parents demanded only the best from her, and that's what she did. She got A's on papers all the time. The problem was that all of her black friends called her a sell-out and a White Wannabe. Her daughter was raised the same way, and just graduated high in her class and is going to college. They have a very comfortable life, because they worked. They are also conservative, and hold most of the same ideals (no one is the same, of course). This is just another way of showing that picking yourself up and doing the work will make your life better, while waiting for handouts keeps you in poverty. We need to raise the bar, not lower it. Oh, and my level of expectation has nothing to do with what anyone else does. Yes, I wish everyone would be the same because they do the work. That's my level of expectation for myself. If you've noticed, liberals tell these people, "yes, we'll just feed you, and take care of you." Welfare works for a little while, but when it becomes an addictive drug, those people stay in poverty. If this country is going to get better in these respects, we'll need to not throw money at them, but throw jobs at them. Throw opportunities for higher-expecting levels of education at them. "Of whom much is given, much is expected." This also works in reverse. Time to get back on topic now.

 

The first thing I feel is frustration that these "desert dwellers" are totally evading the western world. Or are they already captured and as Jirin said, using them to get "anti-terrorism" bill signs and the like!!

 

You still don't get it. The term "minority" is a social value, and often not a statistical value. Take a few sociology courses, and then let's take this up again once you understand the difference between the two concepts.

Minority - a class or group of persons who are subject to reduced access to social resources, prestige and traditionally experience mitigation or supression of social rights by the social "majority."

Just FYI...black South Africans were the statistical majority, but in terms of social rights, resources, and prestige, they were clearly the minority there.

Does this help clarify the term at all for you?

 

I'm still trying to find where I originally said anything about minorities which is contrary to your definition. I was referring to groups which everyone else calls minorities. In my opinion, nobody is lesser than anybody, and nobody should be treated as such. In most cases, they aren't. Those "vocal and pushy" ones are trying to be minorities so they have something to complain about. The hypersensitivity is when somebody says something, and another person takes it completely personally, when in fact it had nothing to do with them, at least not in the manner they think of.

 

When I hear of Sept11, I think of the US goverment useing it as an excuse to do anything they damned well please. I think of people wraping any and all "cuases" in the American flag, and stomping on those who would say "Now wait a minute, let's think about this before we something we'll regret later." I think of cheap commersalism jumping on the bandwagon, and finding tasteless ways to profet off of a tragety, with new ways to sell the flag, and to hell with the people who actually think that the US is NOT supirior to any other nation in every way possible.

 

Now back to the original argument on minorities.

"Minorities rule America. But I still love her."

Is a racist comment.

"But I still love her."

Is where the racisim comes in.

Thats what Inari was trying to point out, I believe.

The way the quote is being said makes it sound like minorities is a bad thing. And it is offensive.


How would you like it if someone said: "Humans rule Mother Earth. But I still love her."

It is directly attacking you because you are a human. The person that said it has a problem with humans, no matter who they are.

"Minorities rule America. But I still love her."

The person that says this has a problem with minorities.

 

First thing that came to my mind when I heard about the attacks was, War. That's all that went through my mind. I was fully prepared for war, or as best prepared as I can be.

 

"I'm in a "position of privilege" because of hard work done in my family for generations. "

Council of Trent, that is exactly the point a lot of people miss.

It's easy for people to criticize the "privileged", even if they work their asses off, by saying they were born into a better situation than some others. While it's certainly true in many cases, it didn't happen by chance. I was born into a favorable situation because my parents worked hard, as did their parents, etc., back to their ancestors who came to America with nothing.

I feel sorry for kids born into crappy situations, but for their parents to warp that into a means for demanding handouts is tantamount to extortion.

 

Ok, the first thing that comes into my mind: Falling buildings, harsh but true. As a citizen of a worldly community I am amazed that ideas such as those voiced by Warsloth still exist. Innocent people died, potentially guilty people died. Depending on who you talk to, many different people would fall into the same column without a second guess.

The tragedy of September 11 is the anti-semetic feeling that spurred anti-American fundamentalists to crash a plane into a building has now caused the ruin of a country over the other side of the world. Terrorism by definition is the use of force to pursue a political means, and by this definition the US is just as guilty as the young men who felt they were serving their god and religion. What people must wake up to is the fact that by wiping out the regime in Afghanistan just sets a precedence for the US to be approved in more military action than would have been acceptable prior to 11/9. Is this really wanted/needed?

Two primary things have come out of 11/9 for American:
1) Loss of national pride due to being brought down by a renegade terrorist movement which has lead to a driving force of almost sickening (for outsiders anyway) patriotism.
2) A blank warrant for the USA to search and destroy based upon their "war on terror" and the further loss of innocent life. Furthermore, this has lead to other countries (primarily Israel in Palestine and Russia in Chechna) justifying their actions and atrocities.

The world must look at itself and the shallow minded idea that anyone who is American or allied with them is a criminal cannot be harboured. It will simply harbour further 11/9 style activities.

Come to Australia, we have NO chance of being bombed...

 

9-11... I'm not an American, so it's essential that I have a different point of view.

I think that USA had it coming. They started this war. Thousands of people die at Middle-East every month in attacks, but when like 5,000 (or so) people die at USA, that's horrible. Not.

The 9-11 doesn't give you the permission to be racist. Bush is fighting against terrorism with terrorism. We Finns call him "George Bush the more stupid" (sounds a lot better in Finnish).

"The place hit the building. Get over it." <-- That's my opinion about the whole matter, too.

Make peace, not war, and so on.


Edit; BTW, Warsloth's messages are 100% pure propaganda. I just hope he's just being sarcastic. "I'd like to kill every Afganistan, and I'd celebrate it, and then I'd be a better person." Blaagh.

 

"Thousands of people die at Middle-East every month in attacks"

Not true.


-Mulacki