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What did the Sand People do with Shmi for a month?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by TrueJedi, May 15, 2005.

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  1. TrueJedi

    TrueJedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I mean, what the heck was the reason to keep her around? Did they do profane things to her? I hate to think that but what else could be going on?
     
  2. Harabec

    Harabec Jedi Padawan star 4

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    She didn't look like she'd been smacked around too much; not enough bruises. Clearly she could not have survived without food and water, so they were expending resources on her, but one does have to wonder why.

    Oh those Sand People, I think they were just dolts.
     
  3. wanderer-bkb

    wanderer-bkb Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Maybe they hoped to lure more people into rescuing her so they could ambush them as well.
     
  4. TomPiltoff

    TomPiltoff Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Anakin came back and freed her from slavery, from a certain point of view.
     
  5. KitFisto15

    KitFisto15 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Im sure that they could have done many things to Shmi. But i think that lureing more people in was a very good answer to the question.
     
  6. TomPiltoff

    TomPiltoff Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I don't buy the 'luring her in' theory. How would anyone know whether or not she was alive? Cliegg gave up.
     
  7. darth_paul

    darth_paul Jedi Master star 5

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    Perhaps they wanted to sell her into slavery? I don't think the movies are totally clear on how sophisticated Tusken Raiders' social structures are, but the EU has humans live as tribe members on a couple of occasions, a sort of honorary thing, so at least in the EU they seem to have some sophistication and advancement. Since we know slavery is around on Tattooine, it seems as logical as anything.

    -Paul
     
  8. Jedi_Aero-Stone

    Jedi_Aero-Stone Jedi Youngling

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    My perception is that the Sand People used her as their slave..ie..probably cooking, serving them food, washing their clothes...etc... they obviouslt knocked her around and generally mistreated her when she wasnt fast enough for their liking, etc.. not one time did rape or anything cross my mind..just treating her like a lowley servant..and by the time Anakin arrived, she probably had the last and most severe beating she could endure. Just cause she didnt have bruises VISIBLE doesnt mean she wasnt punched in the gut or had her legs whipped etc...
     
  9. TrueJedi

    TrueJedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So I guess there's no canon info as to what exactly was going on with her?
     
  10. SHAUN-FOREVER

    SHAUN-FOREVER Jedi Youngling star 2

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    "from a certain point of view"


    Aaaaagh! why must every Star Wars fan insist on including this line in every thread? lol j/k
     
  11. Lord_Rebel

    Lord_Rebel Jedi Master star 1

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    TrueJedi,

    Palpatine had the sand people kidnap and torture Annakins mother so he would sense her pain, destroy those who were hurting her, and be conflicted.

    Conflicted not only by his anger towards the people who hurt his mom, but by the inability to save her, and his ability to apparently slaughter woman and children wholesale.

    Its unlikely she was actually used for a slave or any other matter. Much like Vader tortures Han in Episode V to bring Luke to Cloud city, Palpatine had Schmi (sp?) tortured over and over again to bring Annakin to her.

    The sandpeople were perfect for this cause because they are to stupid to ask the question "why is he asking us to do this and what will happen if someone finds out.." and by using the sandpeople he is able to keep himself out of the equation.

    In ROTS when Annakin is again faced with wanting to save someone he loves (Padme), he turns to Palpatine for the power to do so, and Palpatine uses this request to turn Annakin to the dark side.

    This is without question what happened.
     
  12. Jedi_Learner

    Jedi_Learner Jedi Knight star 5

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    Didn't they rape her?
     
  13. Lord_Rebel

    Lord_Rebel Jedi Master star 1

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    ^^ I assume that is a poor attempt at a joke. Nowhere that I am aware is it said that Annakins mother is raped by the sandpeople. Further what would the sandpeople want sexually with a Human woman?

    Again, she was tortured, slowly, to bring Annakin to save her, thus filling him with hate and anger, basically starting his slide to the dark side.

    Also allowing Palpatine the opportunity to turn Padmes tragedy into his gain by offering Annakin a chance to save her (unlike his Mom who Annakin feels he should have been able to save.)

    Its not unlikely that Palpatine forsaw the death of Padme.
     
  14. Jedi_Learner

    Jedi_Learner Jedi Knight star 5

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    "I assume that is a poor attempt at a joke."

    You assume wrong, and it isn't the only thing you are wrong about...
     
  15. Lord_Rebel

    Lord_Rebel Jedi Master star 1

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    ^^ Great, then educate me so I may know what im "wrong" about and correct it.

    Thanks.

    Oh and dont just tell me im wrong about something and not offer up proof. Please let me know where your correct information is stated in SW Lore.
     
  16. kingthlayer

    kingthlayer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Do us all a favor and stop posting spoilerific material outside 3SA, thanks.
     
  17. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Don't worry. That isn't a spoiler. It's a rejected concept from early drafts of ROTS.


    I assume Shmi's capture was part of a Tusken tradition known as "blood rites." As definied by information released by the movie creator, blood rites is a practice by which a Tusken hunts down prey, captures them, and then tortures them to death over a long period of time. As far as the AOTC novel goes, it wasn't given much detail (understandably), but she was basicaly starved, whipped and beaten on a daily basis, to the point where she could barely feel the pain after her mind more or less went on a psychological retreat. She was only kept alive by her desire to see Anakin one last time.

    Nowhere does it one way or another if Shmi was raped, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the abuse.
     
  18. cmbrown15

    cmbrown15 Jedi Youngling

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    You know, what the heck are the Sand People, anyway? Alien creatures with no humanoid qualities? Or humanoids in weird getups? That'd have a lot to do with what Shmi did or didn't endure in AOTC.

    I tend to think that the Tusken Raiders kidnapped people all of the time, based on AOTC and ANH, robbing them and luring others into ambushes during rescue attempts. Once ambushed, the Sand People would steal whatever could be found -- landspeeders, weapons, etc. -- and kill those that weren't useful.
     
  19. JSnyder

    JSnyder Jedi Youngling star 1

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    >>I hate to think that but what else could be going on? <<
    The first 2 weeks was spent deciding which version of Monopoly (Star Wars, Spiderman or LotR), but no decision could be reached so LotR Trivial Pursuit entered into the picture and they've been playing ever since.
     
  20. TrueJedi

    TrueJedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Lord Rebel, how do you know that about Palpy having hired these guys? Is this canon info?
     
  21. Darthnidan

    Darthnidan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    i go with the thought that Palpatine had something to do with Shmi's kidnaping. To me this was a way for her suffering to get to Anikin's subcouncious throght the force. Therefore getting him to go rescue her and in turn learn to unleash his dark side.
     
  22. MOC Vober Dand

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    What those dirty old Tuskens did with Shmi for a month is best not dwelt upon!
     
  23. DarthRotten

    DarthRotten Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Just to save this topic from scandal: The Tuskens didn't take Shmi to rape her as they find exposed skin disgusting. Tuskens are humanoid but not near-human. They are genetically incompatible with humans. It doesn't mean they didn't rape her but it is unlikely.
     
  24. SSIntimidator

    SSIntimidator Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Lord,

    Doubtful.
     
  25. Saora_Bin

    Saora_Bin Jedi Padawan star 4

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    1) How could Palpatine contact the Tusken Raiders? If he used the Force, I doubt they would understand him or care.

    2) This brings up another point. If Palps did contact the Tusken Raiders, what made them do it? Why would they care?
     
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