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Discussions What if the Yuuzahn Vong Invasion happened during the Prequel Era?

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Praetor_Canis, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. Praetor_Canis

    Praetor_Canis Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Re-reading the new Jedi Order series when I thought of this crazy ‘what if” idea. Has anyone else thought about this? Would the senate of the Galactic republic be as complacent as that of the new republic in regards to the Jedi? Or would Chancellor Palpatine use the invasion to his advantage and have a lot more easier time in gaining emergency powers?


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  2. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    I believe this question has been asked before but I'll bite.

    The Vong would get far faster and be stopped sooner-if the invade prior to the clone wars they'd be able conquer large swathes of the Galaxy.

    However there are far more Jedi, the droid armies(which they'd hate) and the clones.

    Combined this force would push them back.

    It would be bloody, destructive and devastating but the GFFA would prevail.
     
  3. Praetor_Canis

    Praetor_Canis Jedi Youngling star 1

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    But that's assuming the trade federation, senate, jedi and sith all work together against the Vongs. Say that they come before the military creation act was even passed, what are the chances that these people would be able to react in time?
     
  4. RavagerOfDreams

    RavagerOfDreams Jedi Youngling

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    Well that would have made those movies a lot more interesting, that's for sure.
     
  5. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Master star 4

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    Nonexistent. If the Vong had invaded before the MCA, things would've gone so much worse. There were no galactic-level standing armies, and the closest equivalent were megacorporate droid enforcers that were hands down the crappiest soldiers the universe had ever seen. (And the Jedi... 10,000 Jedi. To protect a galaxy. Yeah....) It's actually a blessing for the galaxy that the Vong invaded when they did. Not only did the galactic government have a standing army - however badly they used it, it's an improvement over no army at all - but with two galaxy-wide wars in the recent past, the galaxy was also teeming with weapons and veterans.

    From Episode II onwards, I'd say they've got a chance. Both the Clone Wars era Republic and the Empire had their issues, as did the New Republic, but at least they'd have had armies - and it's unlikely that all the factions involved don't eventually end up banding together.
     
  6. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    It's far politically easier to re-establish the republic army and navy(if we are using legends post Ruusan republic) when your fighting an extragalactic invasion as opposed to a civil war.

    And the CIS wasn't entirely made up of bad soldiers-droidekas, super battle droids, all sorts of experimental stuff.

    And ten thousand Jedi is hardly anything to dismiss.
     
  7. firesaber

    firesaber Jedi Master star 4

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    The Vong would have steamrolled the galaxy and occupied much of it. Assuming the major players could have formed a coalition it would have been a bloody slog all the way to reclaim the worlds lost.
     
  8. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The schtick of the Vong is that most Jedi powers work vastly worse on them than on anyone else. Jedi can't sense an approaching Vong assassin, Jedi can't mind-trick Vong, and possibly, Jedi can't Force-Push Vong. That pretty much leaves using telekinesis to throw things at them.

    Similarly - Vong amphistaffs (and possibly armour?) are very lightsaber-resistant.
     
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  9. Nom von Anor

    Nom von Anor Jedi Knight star 2

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    IIRC, their armor was lightsaber-resistant, because in some fight scenes Jedi were trying to stab Vong warriors in the armpits, as there was no armor protection there.
     
  10. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Or the neck area IIRC.

    However thinking of this from a strategic situation the Vong will have earlier success than they did in canon but it will struggle more once the war begins to drag on.

    First off the Jedi were effective in anti Vong role once their weaknesses were compensated for and now the Jedi number 10,000 not a few hundred at most.

    Secondly the sheer industrial might, the clones, droids, and the possible reintroduction of a conscripted force will hammer the Vong hard.

    At the same time the lack of a standing army and coordination between the factions will lead to the Vong making far more rapid gains.

    They might be able to get the praetorite Vong in unopposed and set up several of their biological computers used to coordinate their fleets.

    Assuming the Jedi can't destroy the Vong's strategic reserve the Vong ought to be able to take the core and hold it.

    At the same time once the republic war machine gets fully mobilized and the various megacorps are nationalized(galactized?) and the Jedi begin to focus then the Vong will be ground down.

    I do suspect the republic will be badly damaged and might even collapse. And the Hutts will likely bear a similar brunt as they did in canon.

    If the Vong are smart they'll make use of anti republic sentiment and use that to create uprisings and perhaps some local allies.

    Maybe even a peace brigade equivalent.

    The devastation and destruction could make the empire perhaps even easier to implement for Palpatine though the form the empire would take would likely be different as would implementing order 66-it might not even be immediately possible.

    Worst case scenario-the Vong succeed in crushing the republic-a sluggish response, lack of coordination, the Jedi get slaughtered given their lack of preparation and the Vong conquer the Galaxy, though it would take them a very long time to fully consolidate and eliminate all resistance.
     
  11. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    I think one major factor in a early Vong invasion would be that Palpatine would be still alive, uncrippled and at full strenght, and I think he is at that point considerably stronger than any memeber of the NJO during the Vong War, not to mention that he knows the Vong are coming and is a much more respected and capable leader than Felya. Even if the invasion happens a few years before the clone wars he still knows of the clone army and could bring them in to fight at any time. Maybe he would wait until the Vong have decimanted the galaxy enough and then sweep in with the clones and take over, presenting himself as a great hero.
     
  12. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Maybe but he still has to get everyone else on board.

    If other factions work at cross purposes, drag their feet, or make incompetent mistakes it could be just the luck the Vong need to make a break through.
     
  13. Adrian the Cool

    Adrian the Cool Jedi Knight star 3

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    There were far less starships and armies before the Clone Wars than during the NR era. That wouldn't be nearly enough to stop them. The Republic only had some Judicial Forces, while the Clones and all of the Seperatist forces would still need time to get ready or be build.

    The split of the Galaxy in the Republic and Confederacy would also add a problem. They may fight each other instead of the Vong. Though, even the Imperial Remnant decided to work together with the Republic/Alliance.

    The political landscape inside the galactic government wouldn't be much different. After the Liberation of Coruscant, the New Republic continued with bureaucracy and corruption where the Old Republic stopped at the beginning of the Clone Wars. Which was the reason that it lasted for one generation only, instead of over a thousand.
     
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  14. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Master star 4

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    Shamelessly going off topic: have we ever had a book about the galaxy from the point of view of a Judicial? Stuff that predates the big wars of the movie era, and that's low-level enough not to involve the Jedi, but still significant enough to require Coruscant and not local forces to react? That could be interesting, a "normal" day in the functioning of the Old Republic.
     
  15. Adrian the Cool

    Adrian the Cool Jedi Knight star 3

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    What about the Stark Hyperspace War?
     
  16. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Conflicts like the stark hyperspace war and Yinchorri uprising were fairly localized and were not galactic in nature.

    The Vong would probably steamroll half the Galaxy if they invaded say in 25 BBY.
     
  17. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Since this question keeps getting asked....it seems to me like a good question to be answered in a What If Legends AU comic book mini-series.
     
  18. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Clones and battle droids wouldn't really be a problem for the Vong. If some silly character like Grievous was gonna make Jedi all scared and too frightened to fight, then how would they react to real nightmares like the Vong?! They'd pee themselves and run. Those that wouldn't would fight a good fight but would be too few to matter overall.

    The PT, I guess the unaired arc for TCW would've potentially opened that door to a possible New Republic era war but not Imperial. The Empire was always on borrowed time since they never had complete control, a lot of power was in the hands of the Crime Syndicates and the early rebellion always seemed like it was gonna win against the massive but grossly incompetent to impotent Empire. And Solo, Luke and Leia are winners. You'd have to pretend all the canon doesnt exist to play this game,lol.

    Jedi are not soldiers, that is key. That was one of the reasons for Sifo wanting to create an actual Clone army to protect the Republic and the Jedi themselves. The Jedi refused. Its not likely that the Vong and Sith would be allies in Lucas' PT, even they were, it would be an easy alliance as the Vong way of doing things would not be the same as the Sith way of ruling the galaxy. Both parties would betray one another. Even if the Sith Empire was the one who drove them off, why wouldn't the Vong come back during that 1,000 year gap when they were thought extinct. The Republic had no standing army, any Vong scout ships could've found the weaknesses and exploited much sooner. Where the Chiss holding them back?

    If you think all the moral and political squabbles and problems faced by the Jedi of over the Separatists crisis and them mainly fighting droids was a critical issue for them - just imagine them going up real battle beasts like the Vong. They wouldn't fair well against the pure unadulterated viciousness, tenacity, savagery and brutality of the Vong hordes. They just wouldn't know stand a chance and would be overwhelmed. Realistically, only really strong military of Empire sized armies would've been able to hold back the hordes of invading Vong - but they too would've been weakened over time and faced with all the typical problems of a government.

    Only Sith Lords would be able to challenge and potentially defeat the Vong because the Sith fight with the Dark Side which is without mercy and without remorse. But a rule of Two, would mean Sidious and Maul fighting against swaths of Vong and probably setting off all sorts of planet killing weapons in the process. Even if you throw in some Inquisitor-like Dark Jedi allies, eventually the story would have to go back to Jedi vs Sith, Light vs Dark and the good always wins of Star Wars.

    Vong are too complicated for canon currently. I think they wouldve been interesting antagonists for the New Republic and Neo-Imperials/FO but they used quasi-Sith Snoke and Kylo for a repeat of the OT.

    Maybe a TV series could better cover such a galaxy conquering spacefaring race like the Vong, three movies you can't really do it.
     
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  19. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    They'll never reintroduce the Vong anyway so that question is moot.

    The Jedi can be militarized and in legends history were at various times.

    As for a Sith Vong alliance-the Vong conquering the Galaxy isn't in Palpatine's interests or of the ancient Sith empires.