PT What if Yoda confronted Anakin, and Obi-Wan confronted Palpatine?

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  1. Graves101 Jedi Master

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    In great detail, if possible, how do you think an Infinities scenario like this would play out? What if Yoda submitted to Kenobi's request and went to face Darth Vader, while Obi-Wan faced Palpatine?
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  2. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Obi-Wan would have died. I think Yoda vs Anakin would have been a bit closer, but ultimately I think Yoda would defeat Vader. Anakin's form has a lot of sweeping strikes and is based on power rather than finesse, I don't think he would have been able to overcome Yoda's speed.

    But in the end as long as the Emperor survived the Empire would continue, run by the Sith. On another note I know a lot of people think Obi-Wan and Yoda should have confronted Palpatine together, but look what Palpatine did when he was confronted by 4 Jedi. Numbers don't always equal an advantage in lightsaber combat. I think either way he would have killed Obi-Wan.
  3. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    I feel that Yoda and Vader would have been a great duel to watch, but it would have been weird. They are both aggressive duelers, but with Yoda being all over the place and very quick with his strikes, it would have challenged Anakin a lot more, and eventually, I think, would have gotten the best of him. Anakin and Yoda didn't have much of an in depth relationship compared to that of Obi Wan and Anakin. I feel like movie-wise, Obi Wan needed to be the one to fight Anakin since they were like brothers. Obi Wan cared more about Anakin's heart than any of the other council members. The only thing that held him back from ending the duel early was that he wanted to reason with Anakin, he wanted his friend back.

    Obi Wan and Sidious would have been quite awkward. I feel that Obi Wan would have defeated in seconds compared to the Sith lord's power. Obi Wan was a more defensive fighter and Sidious was very aggressive, but I think stronger in his aggression than Obi Wan in his defense.
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  4. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    If we are basing off film choreography than Obi-Wan would mop the floor with Sidious and his arthritis ridden strikes.

    But if we are basing it off movie canon......
  5. Minez01 Force Ghost

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    I think that (a) Yoda would have mopped the floor with Anakin and (b) the Obi-Sidious duel would have been very, very interesting.
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  6. MRCynical Jedi Grand Master

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    Sidious would have destroyed Obi-Wan. Even if we pretend the quick murdering of three Jedi Masters (including Kit Fisto, at least as good a lightsaber duellist as Kenobi) by Sidious didn't happen, I don't think Obi-Wan would have had the strength to counter Sidious's use of the Force as much as Yoda was able to. Plus Sidious would have the motivation of the death of Kenobi helping to further enmesh Anakin in the dark side, or perhaps it's better to speak of the Dark Side being stronger in Sidious if he were fighting Kenobi, rather than 'motivation'.

    As for Yoda vs Anakin, interesting. We never saw Yoda fight with all his strength: he didn't want to kill Dooku, and Dooku wanted to escape with the plans he was carrying. I think Yoda would have beaten Anakin in the event of a duel, but I wonder whether there would have been a duel had Yoda gone after Anakin. It was the appearance of Obi-Wan from Padme's ship that ended any hope of his (Anakin's) redemption. I don't think Yoda would have gone in for something as underhand as that, so Padme would have arrived first and alone. Would she then have been successful in convincing him that, with the Separatist leaders dead, the most important thing was to run away (to Naboo, or Alderaan, or wherever) so she could have their child? I think she might have been.
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  7. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    They should have ganged up on one, and then the other.
  8. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    Okay, I'll speculate, just for fun.

    Let's say Yoda hitches a ride with Padme. I don't think Anakin would think Padme was boning Yoda, so he wouldn't have reacted as violently, so I'll say Padme doesn't get choked. Yoda vs Anakin would have been awesome, with Anakin really showing off his potential. A duel between those two would have been like two magnets smashing into each other, rebounding and then smashing into each other again, over and over, like an infinity loop. In the end I think Anakin's reckless fury gets the best of him again, but instead of jumping to his dismemberment, he simply leaves himself open and Yoda zooms by with a one hit kill. Yoda makes sure he's dead, Anakin doesn't survive this one.

    The stress puts Padme in labor and she leaves Mustafar with Yoda. She gives birth to the twins and survives.

    Oh yeah, Palpatine skewers Kenobi with ease.

    Yoda doesn't bother attacking Palpatine, he's too entrenched at this point. Padme and Yoda take the kids to some backwater planet, not Dagobah. Padme raises the kids as their mother should, and Yoda starts their Jedi training early. The twins grow up without any other kids around them, so you know incest happens. They head off to join the Rebellion around age 18, they spend time away from each other and with other people, so they knock off the incest. Eventually the twins square off against the Emperor and his new apprentice. The Emperor tries to turn them by telling them Yoda and Padme killed their father, but then they're like "We know, they told us what happened. They told us you made our father ka-razy". The Emperor pits his apprentice against the twins, but he can't take them alone, so the Emperor joins the fight. Because the Sith are idiots, they end up fighting each other, and the twins use the opportunity well. The Emperor and his apprentice are killed, the Empire falls, and the heroes and the galaxy live happily ever after. The twins totally start making out and the credits roll.
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  9. MRCynical Jedi Grand Master

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    Now that you mention that, I actually wonder why they didn't.

    Only solution I can think of (and it doesn't really satisfy me) is that Yoda, knowing what happened in Palpatine's office (specifically to the other three Jedi) thought that nobody but him could even survive crossing lightsabers with the Emperor.

    Without the affair angle though, would it perhaps be possible that Padme would have been able to persuade Anakin against the dark side? Though he didn't think much of Yoda's advice when he asked him for help earlier in ROTS, I wonder whether Yoda's generally calming manner (and the fact that Anakin never seemed to clash openly with Yoda to the extent that he did Mace Windu or even Obi-Wan) combined with his love for Padme might have been enough.
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  10. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    Anakin didn't want to come back and nothing could persuade him at that point.

    If Padme asking him to run away with her before Obi-Wan even revealed himself didn't work, nothing would. Not even the sight of Padme's fallen body stopped Anakin.

    Yoda wouldn't have even gotten a "don't make me kill you" line from Anakin. I imagine Anakin would have told Padme to get out of the way so he could kill Yoda, and if she didn't he would have just moved her.
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  11. MRCynical Jedi Grand Master

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    I thought he was hesitating (or maybe not hesitating but certainly not turning nasty) until the point when he saw Obi-Wan.
  12. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    I saw no such hesitation. He humored her for a moment, but turned on her when she didn't go along with him.

    Anakin basically laughed at her attempts to turn him back. When she said that Obi-Wan wanted to help them, he gave her a smile, as if to say "oh, that's so cute". When she asks him to run away, he again smiles and explains to his silly little wife that they don't have to because he's now a big, strong man, all with a big smile on his face. She again mentions Obi-Wan and Anakin's smile disappears. Moments later he lays the absolute on her, "the Jedi turned against me don't you turn against me". The hostility was definitely escalating before he saw Obi-Wan. When Obi-Wan reveals himself, Padme simultaneously claims she loves Anakin, and Anakin calls her a liar.

    I don't think Anakin would have hesitated to go straight to combat on sight of Yoda, the Grand Master of the Evil Jedi Order who opposed his training in TPM. He wouldn't have even given Yoda the words he gave Obi-Wan. It's not that Anakin has a special ire for Yoda, just that he doesn't care for him like he cared about Obi-Wan, meaning he would have went straight to the business Palpatine tasked him with.
  13. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Anakin said something to Obi-Wan, at least in the novel, that he would "let" him leave "for old times' sake." He would have done no such thing for Yoda, in fact, probably would have drawn his saber as soon as he saw Yoda step out of the ship.

    I also think Anakin was mad as hell at Yoda after Yoda refused to "help" him save Padme.

    And when was the "you're going down a path that I can't follow" line? Before or after Anakin caught sight of Obi-Wan? I remember it being before, which means that even if Obi-Wan hadn't shown up when he did, Anakin probably would have attacked Padme as she tried to leave, which I think would have been her next step.
  14. Master Jedi Macen Arren Jedi Master

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    AP - I believe it was before he saw Obi-Wan. In fact I think she said the line then Anakin looked and saw Obi-Wan and then said "Because of Obi-Wan". But getting back on track It's a very good question. Palpatine would have defeated Obi-Wan, He is just too strong. But I've often wondered if Yoda would have killed Anakin. I think that Yoda would have won the fight but he may have left him like Obi-Wan did.
  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Yup:

    Anakin: You turned her against me.
    Obi-Wan: You did that yourself.
    Anakin: I'll give you a chance, Obi-Wan. For old times' sake. Walk away.
    Obi-Wan: If only I could.
    Anakin: Go some place out of the way. Retire. Meditate. That's what you like, isn't it? You don't have to fight for peace anymore. Peace is here. My Empire is peace.
    Obi-Wan: Your Empire? It will never have peace. It was founded on treachery and innocent blood.
    Anakin: Don't make me kill you, Obi-Wan. If you are not with me, you are against me.
    Obi-Wan: Only Sith deal in absolutes, Anakin. The truth is never black and white. Let me take Padme to a medcenter. She's hurt, Anakin. She needs medical attention.
    Anakin: She stays.
    Obi-Wan: Anakin-
    Anakin: You don't get to take her anywhere. You don't get to touch her. She's mine, do you understand? It's your fault, all of it- you made her betray me!
    Obi-Wan: Anakin-
    (Anakin ignites lightsaber. Obi-Wan ignites his and raises it)
    Obi-Wan: Then I will do what I must.
    Anakin: You'll try.
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    End of discussion.
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    Best Vader, ever.
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  19. Joe Force Ghost

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    Sidious would destroy Obi-Wan. Anakin verses Yoda may have not even ended up in a fight. Remember, Anakin went to Yoda when he was having those visions. Anakin's beef is with Mace, who seemed to be the one who distrusted him. Yoda could have talked Anakin down.
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  20. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Yoda probably wouldn't have tried. "The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader. Out of his misery, you must put him."
  21. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    Obi Wan gets killed.

    Yoda beats Anakin because Anakin is not quite there yet. "...will become more powerful than either of us." But not yet. If Obi Wan could out-tactic Anankin, I think Yoda woul dhave done the same and perhaps sooner.

    It would still have come down to Yoda vs Sidious and with Yoda probably losing the good guys would be minus Obi Wan on Tattooine for Luke.

    Maybe then Yoda would have ventured to Tattooine posing as a Jawa. "Sell you droids, we will."
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  22. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes. Spot on.
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    [face_laugh] I know
  24. HevyDevy Jedi Grand Master

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    At the OP, perhaps the Jedi felt that if they went together they would run out of time and lose their chance to take both Sith out.
    Also, I agree Sidious would have killed Obi-Wan. Particularly when Anakin's emotional connection to Obi-Wan, and the amount they knew each other's fighitng style was likely the reason Anakin lost. Plus, it's Sidious :D
    Yoda versus Anakin is more interesting to speculate on though. Like others have said, I don't think Yoda would hesitate to take him out, he wasn't Anakin any more, and Yoda in both the PT and OT didn't seem to think a Jedi could return from the darkside. It would have been cool to see Vader unleash his full potential against Yoda, but Yoda would have bested him eventually I think.

    Actually, "Because of Obi-Wan?" came just seconds before Anakin saw Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan's appearance tragically came just at the moment Padme told him "Stop, come back. I love you!" If Obi-Wan hadn't shown up it is hard to say if Anakin wouldn't have come back. It certainly would have been more likely to reach him. The way Anakin looks up as he says "Because of Obi-Wan?" looks like he is looking at Obi-Wan, but if you watch closely he actually hadn't spotted him yet, he moves his head like that because of the question he is asking.
    Don't get me wrong, Anakin had already lost it by this point, but I don't see him lashing out at Padme so devestatingly without the paranoia she had abandoned him for Obi-Wan.
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  25. Obi-Wan_Lennon Force Ghost

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    Well, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think Obi-Wan would've died if he faced Palpatine. I'm not saying that he would have beaten him or anything, but I think he could've maybe escaped. I mean the force seems to have a soft spot when it comes to Obi-Wan. It seems like he's always thrust into a situation where it looks like he's beaten, but he somehow always escapes - usually unscathed as well. As for Anakin vs. Yoda I'm kind of on the other end of that one too. I believe Anakin could have beaten Yoda. Not easily, but Yoda didn't really mean all that much to Anakin so he wouldn't of held back or anything. Also I think Anakin would've probably gone into like a "force-rage" and would eventually overpower the Jedi Master. Either way both duels are kinda awesome to think about.
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