PT What if Yoda confronted Anakin, and Obi-Wan confronted Palpatine?

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  1. Alienware Jedi Master

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    I think Obi-Wan_Lennon has a good point. But what's interesting for me is that in each of the two scenarios at least one member from each side would have survived. I don't see a scenario where only the sith or only the two Jedi would survive. And what makes these two duels in the movie even more special is the fact that nobody actually dies :)
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  2. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    I like your support with your ideas.
  3. Skelter Jedi Master

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    Yoda would have taken out Vader in less than a minute, same goes for Obi-Wan vs Sidious. The duel between Yoda and Sidious proved just how much stronger they where than Anakin and Obi-Wan...No contest.
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  4. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    I think that Vader would have put up a decent fight at least.
  5. Skelter Jedi Master

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    Perhaps, but not as good as the fight Palpatine gave him.
  6. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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  7. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    They both would have looked something like Luke S. vs Palpatine before Vader stepped in to throw him off the balcony. Utter domination. Wishful thinking to imply otherwise; Obi-Wan and Anakin were not even in second place; they were well below even Mace (who was below Yoda). The lesser guy doesn't defeat the Grand Master. If that was so, Vader would have defeated Palpatine and taken over from the start.

    The Middleweight contender doesn't beat the Heavyweight champ.
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  8. Charlie512 Jedi Master

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    Yeah, definitely Yoda wins. It may be a struggle but given Vader's mental condition Yoda would have exploited this and caused him to make a mistake and thten *slash*

    Just like Vader wasn't going to defeat Palpatine he wasn't going to defeat Yoda either.

    Obi-wan better wait for Yoda to team up against Sidious though.
  9. Obi-Wan_Lennon Force Ghost

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    I don't think I agree with this. I don't think the force works in terms of first place and second place. I mean some Jedi/Sith are obviously more in tune with the force than others, but I think when you're dealing with force users who have a good amount of experience anything could happen. That is why I think that the council didn't send someone like Mace or Ki-Adi-Mundi to escort Padme back to Naboo in Ep.1. They had no idea how powerful Maul was or wasn't, so why send in Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan? Why not someone "stronger"? Because in the end it is always up to the will of the force.

    Anakin was always meant to destroy the Sith, so I feel that if Yoda were to face him on Mustafar the best the Jedi Master could hope for would be to get out alive. I also feel that Obi-Wan was kind of like The Force's back-up plan. If Anakin were to fall than Obi-Wan was there to train his kids. So I stand by what I said before. Yoda vs. Anakin = bad news for Yoda. Palpatine vs. Obi-Wan = Palpatine wins, but Kenobi might escape.
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  10. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    The problem is, you are not doing the math. "Anything could happen" isn't very meaningful; some Jedi are clearly way more powerful, and are in all likelihood going to destroy the less powerful.

    Qui-Gon and Obi Wan were sent in TPM because the most powerful Jedi could not be sent everywhere every time, of course other Jedi could be sent for various tasks.

    Yoda gave a stern warning to Obi-Wan, warning that he was not powerful enough to fight Palpatine, in other words, he would get tooled in a fight with him. Why did he not just make it "the will of the force" as you say? Because that is silly. Anakin is going to match up with Yoda? Come on, that is making a mockery of the whole story. Anakin couldn't even beat Obi-Wan, who wasn't strong enough with the force to fight Palpatine; Yoda WAS strong enough to match up with Palpatine, but Anakin is "bad news" for him? Seriously? No. Yoda was the Grand Master, Anakin wasn't even a master yet.
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  11. Ambervikings91 Jedi Master

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    totally agree
  12. Obi-Wan_Lennon Force Ghost

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    I just think that if Anakin is MEANT to destroy the Sith than Yoda cannot kill him. And again I don't think it comes down to who is more "powerful." You say that because Anakin couldn't beat Obi-Wan than he'd stand no chance against the more powerful Yoda. But by that logic than Anakin shouldn't have been able to kill Dooku. Seeing as Dooku beat Obi-Wan. I just don't think the force works that way. Obi-Wan has been down and out several times and it always looked like he was about to get killed, yet somehow he always escapes. This often happens when he is against someone who could be judged as more "powerful" than he is. I feel that the force is looking out for him.

    And in regards to TPM, If the council was concerned that the SITH were making a reappearance than I think they would have found time to send the more powerful Jedi - IF that is how dueling actually works.

    I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I guess I just see it different from you.
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  13. MRCynical Jedi Grand Master

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    Obi-Wan won by means of his very defensive lightsaber style, which seeks to provoke/tire opponents into making a mistake (exactly what Anakin does). Yoda might be the more powerful Jedi, but a duel between him and Anakin would be attack vs attack rather than attack vs defence.
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  14. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    Correction- strong attack vs ultra-powerful attack

    Anakin is my favorite character, but he would have gotten his ass handed to him by the old master; emotion is not going to beat far superior technique and power. Yoda is also much better with the lightning and throwing objects with the force, he would have zapped and pelted Ani into submission.
  15. Chewbacca89 Force Ghost

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    What would the outcome have been if all 4 of them fought each other at the same time? Is the combined power of Obi-Wan and Yoda greater than the combined power of Vader and Palpatine? Who would have won?
    Chewbacca89 threw 6-faced die for: Obi/Yoda Total: 1
    Chewbacca89 threw 6-faced die for: Vader/Palps Total: 6
  16. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    The result would be dead Yoda and dead Obi Wan, imo..
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  17. Ulysses_Laertiades Jedi Knight

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    Very interesting topic.
    As others already have said, Palpatine vs Kenobi duel would end in nanoseconds.
    On the other hand, Yoda vs Vader is an extremely interesting one. Vader never ever reaches his potential in his lifetime. Only time got close was vs Dooku. MAYBE against Yoda would be his reaching point. Nothing would hold him back.
    Then the two Sith would have survived and after a couple of years Vader would kill Palpatine and create his own dystopic utopia.
  18. Jabari Force Ghost

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    Palpatine tries to set up missions so that Obi-Wan will hopefully get killed off on multiple occasions in the EU, and so even if Obi-Wan miraculously managed to escape a duel with Palpatine, Palpatine wouldn't likely let that go. Especially if Yoda beat Anakin as well, I feel like Palpatine might want to retaliate against Obi-Wan. So he kills or captures and tortures Obi-Wan as punishment and to set up a trap for Yoda.

    Which would mean that Yoda, realizing he's the last hope for training the next generation of Jedi, has to leave Obi-Wan to a horrible death. =((
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  19. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Dystopia?
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  20. Darkslayer Force Ghost

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    But Obi-Wan is better than Fisto, Tiin, and Kolar...

    Any way, to the OP, Obi-Wan would have been slaughtered by Sidious and Yoda would have killed Anakin.
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  21. Sitara Force Ghost

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    While I agree Sidious would most likely wipe the floor with Kenobi, I do think people severely underestimate Jedi MASTER Obi Wan.

    Look how he dealt with the Magnaguard and Grievous. Look at his fight with Maul. Also recall how easily Obi Wan absorbed Tyrannu's lightning.

    I do believe Sidious's overconfidence might have ended up being his weakness. Might, is the key word here.

    Yoda OTOH would have utterly crushed Anakin. No question there at all.
  22. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    My Vader crushed Yoda in Soul Calibur. Once.
  23. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    -The Magnaguards are droids...if any Jedi had trouble dealing with them, let alone a Jedi Master I would be extremely disappointed.

    -It pretty much took everything Obi-Wan had to finish Greivous, and he only survived because of luckily being near a dropped blaster.

    -It seems that lightsabers absorb Force lightning, and Dooku also seemed to be toying with him at that point. Not to mention Dooku dispatches Obi-Wan very easily.

    I think Obi-Wan is a great Jedi but the examples you used there are pretty weak.
  24. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    They were supposed to be specialist, anti-Jedi droids, "worse than droidekas" for a Jedi to face, in the novel.
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  25. Sitara Force Ghost

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    -Droidekas are droids as well. All Jedi had trouble dealing with them. In fact, we did not see any Jedi, Master, Knight or Padawan destroy a droideka using their lightsabers and the Force.

    -Obi Wan was crushing Grievous easily. He was even enjoying it. He really didn't need to get into a saber fight at all, he could have force pushed him from the get go. I guess he wanted to humiliate Grievous a bit and show him why only Jedi and Sith use Lightsabers. But then, Obi Wan DROPPED his lightsaber. That is why he had problems later.

    -Obi Wan used the Force to channel the lightning into the Lightsaber. And yes, Dooku dispatched him rather easily. A pity, but then again, we never see Sidious fight with Dooku. Also, Dooku held off Yoda quite well. (but yes, he would have died eventually had he not run)
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