PT What if Yoda confronted Anakin, and Obi-Wan confronted Palpatine?

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  1. Jedi Gunny Yahtzee Host

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    Obi-Wan would have been kept alive due to the fact that he was a main character.

    Yoda would have been alive because he was a main character.

    You get the point. :p
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  2. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Droidekas have shields that protect them from direct attacks. Magnaguards are droids programmed to melee fight.
  3. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Mace Windu was a main character too.
  4. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Where does it say that.
  5. Jedi Gunny Yahtzee Host

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    I meant more that they show up in the OT. ;)
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  6. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    lol true, by that fact alone they would both have to survive.
  7. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    Obi-Wan would have been a dead duck. The guy had faced Dooku on two separate occasions and was defeated each time. As for Anakin, it's possible he would have faced defeat in a duel with Yoda, considering his emotional state at the time. If he had fought Yoda with controlled anger, the Jedi Master might have faced a more formidable foe.
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  8. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Obi-Wan and Anakin's first reaction on seeing them, in the RoTS book:

    "You know what Master Yoda says: Patience you must have until the mud settles and the water becomes clear. So let's wait."

    Obi-Wan looked skeptical. "Wait."

    "For the security patrol. A couple of droids will be along in a moment or two; they'll have to drop the ray shield to take us into custody."

    "And then?"

    Anakin shrugged cheerfully. "And then we'll wipe them out."

    "Brilliant as usual," Obi-Wan said dryly. "What if they turn out to be destroyer droids? Or something worse?"

    "Oh, come on, Master. Worse than destroyers? Besides, security patrols are always those skinny useless little battle droids."

    At that moment, four of those skinny useless battle droids came marching toward them, one along each corridor, clanking along with blaster rifles leveled. One of them triggered one of its preprogrammed security commands: "Hand over your weapons!" The other three chimed in with enthusiastic barks of "Roger, roger!"and a round of spastic head-bobbing. "See?" Anakin said. "No problem."

    Before Obi-Wan could reply, concealed doors in the corridor walls zipped suddenly aside. Through them rolled the massive bronzium wheels of destroyer droids, two into each corridor. The eight destroyers unrolled themselves behind the battle droids, haloed by sparkling energy shields, twin blaster cannons targeting the two Jedi's chests.

    Obi-Wan sighed. "You were saying?"

    "Okay, fine. It's the dark side. Or something." Anakin rolled his eyes. "I guess you're off the hook for the ray shield trap." Through those same doorways marched sixteen super battle droids to back up the destroyers, their arm cannons raised to fire over the destroyers' shields.

    Behind the super battle droids came two droids of a type Anakin had never seen. He had an idea what they were, though. And he was not happy about it.

    Obi-Wan scowled at them as they approached. "You're the expert, Anakin. What are those things?"

    "Remember what you were saying about worse than destroyers?" Anakin said grimly. "I think we're looking at them."

    They walked side by side, their gait easy and straightforward, almost as smooth as a human's. In fact, they could have been human—humans who were two meters tall and made out of metal. They wore long swirling cloaks that had once been white, but now were stained with smoke and what Anakin strongly suspected was blood. They walked with the cloaks thrown back over one shoulder, to clear their left arms, where they held some unfamiliar staff-like weapon about two meters long—something like the force-pike of a Senate Guard, but shorter, and with an odd-looking discharge blade at each end.

    They walked like they were made to fight, and they had clearly seen some battle. The chest plate of one bore a round shallow crater surrounded by a corona of scorch, a direct blaster hit that hadn't come close to penetrating; the other bore a scar from its cranial dome down through one dead photoreceptor—a scar that looked like it might have come from a lightsaber. This droid looked like it had fought a Jedi, and survived. The Jedi, he guessed, hadn't.
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  9. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    It looks like Anakin is being playful there. It's not actually stated that Magnaguards are more deadly that droidekas. We see the Jedi run from droidekas in TPM, but in ROTS they deal with Magnaguards pretty easily. That tells me enough.
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  10. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    I agree. It doesn't seem like the guards are more of a hassle than destroyer droids. I can't even recall a time when we see a Jedi take out a destroyer droid. Maybe in the battle of Geonosis, but I'm not sure.
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    Geez, Jar Jar took out more destroyers than the Jedi did. That's hard to believe. 8-}

    Anyways, the magnaguards didn't have personal shielding, so Obi-Wan and Anakin would therefor not be as afraid to attack them.
  12. Dave Hoffman Jedi Knight

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    Don't get me started on the Palpatine -vs- 4 Jedi Masters fight scene. That is easily the worst choreography in the whole series. Besides looking elderly and awkward, it didn't make any sense. What is Master Agen Kolar even looking at as Palpatine performs the most deliberate and telegraphed thrust move in the history of armed combat? And he's supposed to be known for his prowess as a swordsman?

    I heavily digress.

    I believe that Yoda would have handled Anakin after breaking a sweat. Yoda is a better swordsman and has a much greater knowledge of the Force. Anakin's arrogance and aggressiveness would have been his undoing.

    Palpatine would have bested Obi-Wan, not easily, but decidedly. Dooku made quick work of Kenobi the first time they met, and he rendered him unconscious the second time they met, so I can't see how he'd do any better against Dooku's master who is far more powerful.

    The Emperor would still be alive, Order 66 would still take effect, the Empire would still be formed, and the Jedi would still be purged. Worst case, Palpatine would need to find a new apprentice. Nothing much else would change, at least not for the better. Perhaps if Obi-Wan wasn't on Tatooine, Luke never would have blown up the Death Star. He still would have been working on a moisture farm for one more season.
  13. Sitara Force Ghost

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    I would not call Sidious 'Far more powerful' than Dooku. Sidious was stronger yes, and more skilled with a greater command of the Dark Side, but Dooku was no pushover either. He had already mastered the Light Side when he switched over to the other side. This is why he was able to use Sith Lightning so quickly (note we do not know when Dooku gained the power to use Sith lightning. He could have gained the ability after 10 years or after 2.) Also note that Dooku had other things to do aside from getting trained, such as forming an alliance of separatists that consisted of a large part of an entire galaxy. That takes a lot of time, time when he would likely not be training

    Honestly, the only thing Sidious had over Dooku was that he appears in the OT. That is what allowed him to survive ROTS mainly.

    Also, you lot give Anakin wayyy to much credit. Yoda would have wiped the floor with him without breaking any kinds of sweat at all. There is absolutely nothing that Anakin/Vader has shown that even hints at the fact he could have a ghost of a chance against Yoda. None. In fact, unlike Obi Wan who was still trying to convince Anakin to turn himself in, Yoda would not have wasted time and moved in for a quick kill.
  14. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Anakin bested Dooku in single combat as a 23yr old Jedi Knight, where given the same time Yoda could not, as a 800+ year old Jedi Master. That alone hints at the fact that Anakin is on par if not higher than Yoda in dueling capability.
  15. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Yoda "could not"? Where are you getting this from? Dooku fled their battle by using the ploy of endangering Obi-Wan and Anakin!
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  16. Jedi Gunny Yahtzee Host

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    Yoda would eventually have overpowered Dooku in that fight, and Dooku knew this, so he ran.
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  17. Minez01 Force Ghost

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    Also Dooku was pretty old by the time of ROTS :p
  18. Sitara Force Ghost

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    Dooku was holding back against Anakin in their 2nd duel. That is why he force choked Kenobi instead of choking Anakin, because he wanted Anakin alone so that he could turn him to the dark side. Listen to their dialogue as they fight. Why the heck do you think Palpatine allowed himself to be kidnapped? By the end of the movie everyone knows Palpatine controlled both sides of the war, and Dooku knew that. So why did they set up that whole charade with Palp being in that chair and witnessing that duel?

    It was all a ploy to convert Anakin into Vader and possibly kill Kenobi, the main obstacle in doing so.

    Sadly, Dooku totally underestimated Anakin's skill and possible sudden surge of power granted by the Dark Side, assuming Anakin was using it. He was a fool, basically. He really should have taken the time to wonder "Gee, there can be only 2 sith. If Anakin is converted, there will be 3. Wonder who will be whacked off...?"

    Furthermore, I do believe Dooku was significantly holding back against Anakin in Ep 2 as well. Instead of force pushing him after cutting his arm, Dooku could have simply stabbed him through the heart. He didn't. Why? Well, maybe that was a plan to start his turn to the Dark Side.
  19. vypernight Jedi Master

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    I'm going to play Devil's Advocate abd say Vader beats Yoda, but not because of skill. Since Anakin doesn't think anything is going on between Padme and Yoda, he doesn't Force-choke Padme, and she continues, still feeling he can be saved. Yoda defeats Anakin in combat, but as with Anakin/Mace/Palpatine, Padme, who still loves Anakin, saves him by distracting Yoda. Vader takes advantage and cheap-shots Yoda for the kill.

    Meanwhile, Palpatine beats the tar out of Obi wan. At one point, Sid sends Obi Wan flying out the window, where he hangs hundreds of feet from the ground below. Then Sid, whose greatest weakness is his overconfidence, pulls a Maul and grandstands. Obi Wan takes advantage and pulls him out the window, where Sidous falls to his explosive death below.

    Maybe a couple of longshots, but I like to think of What If scenerios.
  20. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Actually Dooku seems pretty exerted against Anakin and is surprised by the challenge.

    Says you?
  21. GODLIKE Jedi Padawan

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    Anakin and Obi Wan have no chance
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  22. Sistros Force Ghost

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    "then we'd have a completely different story"

    disscussion over//

    lock thread :p
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  23. Legacy Jedi Endordude Jedi Grand Master

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    Both Anakin and Obi Wan would be dead.......
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  24. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Says the novelization, I think.

    Count Dooku watched with clinical distaste as the blue-scanned images of Kenobi and Skywalker engaged in a preposterous farce-chase, pursued by destroyer droids into and out of turbolift pods that shot upward and downward and even sideways.
    "It will be," he said slowly, meditatively, as though he spoke only to himself, "an embarrassment to be captured by him."
    The voice that answered him was so familiar that sometimes his very thoughts spoke in it, instead of in his own. "An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not? And have we not ensured that all the galaxy shares this opinion?"
    "Quite so, my Master. Quite so." Again, Dooku sighed. Today he felt every hour of his eighty-three years. "It is... fatiguing, to play the villain for so long, Master. I find myself looking forward to an honorable captivity."
    A captivity that would allow him to sit out the rest of the war in comfort; a captivity that would allow him to forswear his former allegiances—when he would conveniently appear to finally discover the true extent of the Separatists' crimes against civilization—and bind himself to the new government with his reputation for integrity and idealism fully intact.
  25. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    If you continue reading, Dooku unleashes his full ability when he realizes Anakin and Obi-Wan were faking lightsaber forms, he incapacitates Obi-Wan but is thoroughly bested by Anakin.
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