ScaPaCamem: when i was referring to some French Catholics not being Christians, i meant the 30% that flat out deny God exists according to the survey i posted a link to... if they are Christians when they don't admit to there being ANY God (much less the Christian one), then everyone is a Christian regardless of beliefs or actions, which is completely pointless. i also specifically stated that i know Catholics who are solid Christians. nowhere did i state Catholicism isn't Christianity. i know a whole lot of Protestants who deny Christ as well, and i doubt their faith just as much as any Catholic who deny God exists. i just used that link since it is one i had easy access to... i'm sure i can find similar information about American Baptists if i look for it. and my God is not hateful and vengeful... He is love. i may not show His love all the time, but then that's the whole point: i'm not perfect (and neither is anyone else), but He is. i'm sorry if you were offended by what i said... though we obviously have some differences in opinion on faith and salvation i certainly did not mean to imply "all who disagree with me will burn". i simply believe God wants us to know and love Him, and that no man is righteous in the eyes of God save by Christ?s love and grace. MASTERPRENN: good points... and no we can not surrender perfectly due to both our limited knowledge and sin, but surrender is the goal. and yeah, by faith i meant Christian faith/faith in the God i worship, even if the details are different. and very good explanation of sin... my statement was indeed more for "play on words" than strict definition. as for why we were created, that's really a big question and one i'm still not too sure on the answer to honestly... i think at least part of is was He wanted more beings to share His love with. my point was more He didn't have to/need to in any way for His own comfort... but He wanted to in order to show His love. and yes, Christ loved and died for us all, regardless of how we do/will react to Him... just as we should love everyone in or out of the Church, even/especially those who reject our message of Christ. as for who is a Christian/saved: where God draws the line between the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-41) is up to Him, and i certainly wouldn't want such a responsibility. i think one must acknowledge Christ as Lord of Heaven and Earth and your personal Savior from our sinful nature, and live for Him to the best of your knowledge and abilities. perhaps acknowledging Christ by name isn't needed, just living as He'd want you to live. maybe adding stuff that isn't true is fine so long as what is true is kept. maybe all you have to do is not be an unrepentant rapist and murderer... hey, maybe even they get in too. but i'd rather be safe (personally and when it comes to others) than sorry... if all it takes is being a decent, loving person, then as best i can tell being a strict 'through Christ only? person who is still decent and loving is still acceptable, but the opposite is sadly not true. i want as many people as possible to know Christ in this life and the next... even if my standards may seem a little higher than they need to be. but if i see Gandhi or Joesph Smith or whomever doesn't fit "my" definition of Christian in heaven, i certainly won't say "they don't deserve to be here!!!" (since i myself don't deserve to go there except by God's grace)... i'll say "awesome, nice to see ya'll... wait... this means that guy i knew in high school who was a better person than i could ever hope to be, but never openly accepted Christ, is around here somewhere... i'm gonna go find him!!".