Kimball, If its causing no problem, which it hasn't in this thread to date, then there is no need to try to force the debate in a way that it is not progressing. This thread hasn't "degenerated" in to a flame war and judging by a lot of the posts here hopefully it won't. The_Fireman and I were having an interesting discussion and through my questionning (not presumptions) I was discovering his views on Christianity. Views that were refreshing to me even if I don't agree with them. Precedent is all fine and good but there is no need to try to divert the natural course of the discussion that two members were having here. That, I'm afraid makes for a poor argument imo. I for one don't go for flame wars (I never have) but do like lively and challenging discourse. Two very different creatures and what The Senate was originally designed for. If you don't mind I would like to get back to discussing Christianty (and any wider thread related sub-discussions that naturally arise). If people don't wish to discuss what I am talking about then I expect that most will ignore me but while there are others like The_Fireman who do not shy away from tricky questions then I'll continue to post in the manner in which I have since May AD 2000.