What is EU is canon

Discussion in 'Star Wars Community' started by WhiskeyGold, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    I have edited that post, but again: Canon canon is the main canon of a fictional universe, the entire franchise. Just canon is the canon of a part, like some sort of adaption, of a fictional universe, not part of the main canon. In Star Wars, all the movies, novels, comics, games, audio dramas and so on are canon canon, except for a few exceptions, so far. In Spacecenter Babylon 5 everything is canon, too. But in Tolkien's legendarium only the books are canon, the Lord of the Rings movies are an adaption of the books and differ from them a bit, so they're just canon for their own, not in the entire legendarium. Same with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, only the series is canon, not the comics. In some fictional universes, like the Donald Duck comics universe, there is no canon. Did you get it?
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  2. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    The Tobey Maguire Spiderman trilogy is canon.........

    The Andrew Garfield Spiderman trilogy is canon..........

    Yet they are different "canon", part of different storylines and universe and aren't connected to each other..........
  3. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    Yes, this is how it is.
  4. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    How does that relate back to Star Wars???
  5. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    You wrote that the post-Endor EU is canon, then Wierd_Green_Man said only if it doesn't contradict the movies, then you came to talk about canon canon and just canon and I gave you examples for what is canon canon and what is just canon.
  6. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Can we agree that while, both Andrew Garfield Spiderman and Tobey Maguire Spiderman are both canon, they are different storylines and universes and don't have anything to do with each other?

    Is SW like that?
  7. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    I don't know those movies, but yes.
    No.
  8. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    So, there is no question the EU is canon.... Good start!!

    However, is the Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, all the novelizations of the movies too, canon?? They contradicted the films.. The ROTJ novelization mentioned Padme Owen being Obi Wan's brother and Padme hiding Leia..... That proves it's a different canon, kinda Like Andrew And Tobey, agree??
  9. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    Bond is like Barbie. These are both just names people slap on to things because they make money. There are many Barbies - scientist Barbie, doctor Barbie, fashion designer Barbie, pastry chef Barbie, etc. They all have the same name but are not the same thing or related. Same with Bond. Same name. Different continuity.
  10. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    Who is Padme Owen?
    If there are minor contradictions like this, the details in the movies supersede the books. But as a whole the novelizations are canon. Some details may be retconned.
  11. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    If a novel contradicts the movies, it is canon, a different canon, not canon at all??

    If a novel says something, like Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, that doesn't contradict what the movies say but the Movies dont say it, is that canon??

    The novelizations go into detail about Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker's motives......................
  12. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    Right, in their own tiny micro-verses. The movies are canon in the movie universe but in the entire Spiderman storyline, they are non-canon. The entire franchise viewed as a whole only has the comics, which the movies are based off of, as canon canon.
  13. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    It is still canon canon. There have just been some rectons.
    If the movies don't say something, as long as they don't contradict it, it is canon.
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  14. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    As long as who doesn't contradict who?

    What is still canon canon? What retcons?
  15. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    If movies and anything else disagree, movies win.
    Retcons are retroactive edits.
  16. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Yeah. So Padme hiding Leia and Obi Wan having a brother-Owen Lars, is non/not canon. It's in the trash can.......

    But the rest of that novel is canon? And the other novelizations are canon?

    So some EU isn't canon??
  17. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    Some DETAILS have been retconned.
  18. BobbySharp Jedi Padawan

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    Once again. If it hasn't hit the movie screen, it isn't true canon.
  19. Sistros Force Ghost

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