PT What is the stupidest argument against the Prequels that you ever heard?

"No, there is another."

I thought AOTC essentially answered all of it's own mysteries. Not explicitly... but there's enough in there for you to do the maths. ROTS doesn't answer anything we can't already figure out for ourselves.

I would say the only real mystery put forward by the saga that isn't properly answered would be the Force Ghost thing.

 

Well that was not really the focus off TESB.

 

But I would still maintain the mysteries of AOTC were all resolved to a reasonable degree within the movie.

When Sidious says "welcome home, Lord Tyranus" at the end, isn't that enough? If you're going to go with this out-of-universe explanation that Sifo-Dyas really did order the clone army independent of any Sith involvement then I guess it isn't. But that doesn't make any narrative sense. The movie heavily implies that the Sith killed Sifo-Dyas and ordered the army in his name. Just as it implies Dooku wiped Kamino from the Jedi library.

 

I dislike the Prequels. I certainly don't hate them. Hate is such a strong word and a very negative one. I'm curious, how would I be labelled? A Prequel hater? Amongst all this infantile bull**** between fans who submit their undying love for the films and those who supposedly 'hate' them? Where is that calm,collected section of fans who just didn't like them, and offer valid reasons as to why, being heard? It's pathetic and both sides are just as bad as each other. Grow up.

 

Jcuk: I agree that hate is a strong word, but anyway, you definitely wouldn't be labelled a prequel hater just for not liking them.

 

I think this is a problem with the fan base. The films are implict about many plot points while geeks and nerds hate implicitly. They want everything to be explict in capital letters, deeply detailed, and senselessly overly complex, this is why the EU and other spinoff tend to be annoyingly explict about every last little detail.

 

Many geeks have OCD traits. They tend to want things super explicit and spelled out because that gives them the sense of certainty and control they need. Even if those details are irrelevant to the narrative and would slow the movie down.

 

I think this is a problem with the fan base.
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eh not really. The problem is the fan base taking Lucas at his word when he said the Sifo Dyas plot will be resolved in EP III (which he did in the AOTC commentary)

so at the time even he thought it should be explained. As I say though I don't blame AOTC, that's like complaining that things haven't been resolved in the middle of a 6 hour movie.

 

You have the right to dislike the prequels. But it's not everyone who doesn't agree with you who will label you automatically as a hater or basher.

I've said it before in other threads that I can understand on some degree the disappointment of older fans who grew up with the originals, wanting more of this “feeling” of the originals. But I rather think that each trilogies should be different on its own and that's what makes this saga authentic in my opinion.

One of the things that all this "fight" or "war" in fandom has revealed to me is that value-judging nostalgia can be sometimes depressing. People saying that one type of fandom is better than the other or "my nostalgia is better than yours", or that one does not have any taste on movie or have any knowledge about cultural significance or movies in general are just untenable and annoying, and this applies on both side whether you are a Saga fan, PT fan, OT fan, Clone Wars fan, EU fan, etc...

There’s nothing wrong with allowing nostalgia to guide your preferences, but measuring things from our own childhood perspective against someone else’s childhood perspective is what has developed this fracture in fandom, and this has to end.

 

I don't think that all fans who had seen the Original movies first, dislike the Prequel movies. I saw the Originals first - well, on television and the Special Editions. Yet, I love the Prequel movies. And I know some people who've experienced the same and share my opinion.

 

I was not implying that everyone who saw the OT first dislike the PT.

 

"The Chancellor is behind everything, including the war."

 

somehow I don't think that's exactly what he meant by explaining the sifo dyas explanation, but what the hey.

 

Fans who say the PT is "too dark" when their favorite movie from the OT is TESB, the darkest of the OT films.

 

It makes sense for Jedi, Sith and the Force to be a myth by Episode VII, think about it, 10,000 Jedi in a galaxy of billions is super tiny and since Palpatine made sure to turn the Jedi into the bad guys and put them down in the history books as the bad guys, they would look like a myth if Luke was never able to jumpstart the Jedi Order like in the old EU.

 

You just dont like them, do you need to have a label for that? Though i guess you could be called a PT critic, i remember someone else used that.

 

Here I just read one which is, I don't even know how to describe it. Anyway I mentioned that parallel between Luke and Anakin (both had 23 at the end of trilogies), and this is a response I got. And that comes from a person that called me an idiot because I said I like PT more.

 

But if the prequels would be set 40 50 years earlier wouldnt Luke and Leia be older?

 

Yes, that is precisely the reason his so called argument is stupid. Anyway I did the math, I just had to

Luke was 19 in ANH, 23 in ROTJ.

Anakin/Vader was 23 in ROTS, 46 in ROTJ.

Obi-Wan was around 38 in ROTS and around 57 in ANH.

 

I agree with this. I love the battledroids and i think the film versions were more competent than the stormtroopers.

 

Thanks for the math and for confirming that it does make sense.

 

We see the Trade Federation's ships arrive on Naboo, and then we see Amidala in captivity. We can assume that in between, the Battle Droids defeated the Naboo army across the planet.

 

some guy is actually arguing with me on another forum that yoda and kenobi could have just taken the security tape from the jedi temple, exposed Palpatine and had him removed from office.

 

There's some truth to this. My brother is a computer programmer and he desires clarity over obfuscation. He says he has little time for metaphors and ambiguous use of language. Oddly, I've never heard him articulate much objection to Star Wars; but he's not a nut about the series like me.

The Jedi's backs were really up against the wall at that point. Palpatine had just had the majority of them wiped out and declared that the remaining ones would be "hunted down and defeated". And that guy is talking about a tape being used to exonerate the Jedi and expose a dictator with the majority of the Senate on his side?

 

Well, I have to give it up to these people for making, what I think, is certainly the most classless depiction of prequel fans.



I've probably been spending too much time on youtube lately, what with the new trailer released, and this video was recommended and was innocuously titled "Inside Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith." Thought it might be some cool analysis or discussion or, at worst, someone ranting about the PT.

Instead, it featured a "hilarious" segment called "To catch a prequel lover" which is exactly what you think it is -- a parody of "To catch a predator."

I had to turn it off after a minute of several creeptastic scenes of a prequel fan in a Jar Jar costume being depicted as a sexual predator.

I mean, I like to think I'm not especially thin-skinned and can take a joke but...really, guys? I don't care if they hate the prequels, go ahead, hate away. Or if they think its fans don't have any taste. But this...even if it's a joke, it's just so mean-spirited, unpleasant, and insulting that I can't imagine what they were thinking when they made it.