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CT What is wrong with Hayden as Anakin in the end scene of Return of the Jedi

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by uperduper, May 9, 2015.

  1. uperduper

    uperduper Jedi Youngling

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    Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw doesn't bother me

    What bothers me is his evil smile

    he looks like he is already planning to kill them again

    Lucas should have told Hayden to emulate Sebastian Shaw warm smile
     
  2. lovelikewinter

    lovelikewinter Jedi Knight star 4

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    Lucas took some random Hayden footage from ROTS filming and stuck it on Shaw's body. Hayden didn't even know about it until after the fact. He half-assed it, like so many of his changes.
     
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  3. Heero_Yuy

    Heero_Yuy Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't want to be reminded of Inferior movies when I watch ROTJ. Problem?
     
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  4. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    My issue is that it completely disturbs the flow of the film.
     
  5. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    How so Cushy? I prefer shaw as well but why does it disturb the flow of the film?
     
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  6. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    Because Anakin being the only one deaged makes no sense. It's clearly only a forced PT link and it falls flat. Anakin is not a 'handsome 23' when he dies.
     
  7. DantheJedi

    DantheJedi Jedi Master star 5

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    This, plus people had no problems with Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's spirit (like me).
     
  8. TX-20

    TX-20 Jedi Master star 4

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    Force Ghost Facelifts are all the rage in the Netherworld of the Force.
     
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  9. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There's nothing wrong with it. It makes logical sense that his soul hasn't aged, since he was disconnected from it during those dark years. He quite literally did sell his soul to the devil.

    As for the smile: It's a roguish smile. That's just Anakin's personality shining through.
     
  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    From the ROTJ novel:

    It was a face that had not seen itself in twenty years.
    Vader saw his son crying, and knew it must have been at the horror of the face the boy beheld.
    It intensified, momentarily, Vader's own sense of anguish - to his crimes, now, he added guilt at the imagined repugnance of his appearance. But then this brought him to mind of the way he used to look - striking, and grand, with a wry tilt to his brow that hinted of invincibility and took in all of life with a wink. Yes, that was how he'd looked once.
     
  11. PymParticles

    PymParticles Cruel but Fair Tyrant of New Films star 5 Staff Member Moderator

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  12. segask

    segask Jedi Master star 1

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    Unlike those of us who grew up with the OT when they were originally made, in the future people will just watch the movies in numbered order from `1 - 6 and will be imagining Hayden beneath the Vader mask the whole time that they are watching ANH, ESB, and ROTJ, so having Hayden in that force ghost shot at the end makes for a better payoff and happier ending to Anakin's story arc.
     
  13. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Force Ghost star 5

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    I must admit that when I first watched ROTJ, I had no idea who the ghost was meant to be.
     
  14. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    My little sister, who has watched the movies exactly in the order 1-6, hates Anakin's guts and definitely doesn't want to see him in ROTJ.
     
  15. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Hopefully, she's going through a phase ;)

    To me, seeing Hayden in that context feels emotionally right. It's like seeing a long lost friend. Finally, he's Anakin again! That gives me a great sense of closure.
     
  16. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    Not exactly. The phase when she read Obi-Wan fanfictions and actually watched the prequels is already over.
     
  17. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Only time will tell. Things change, people find new interests... Sometimes, we return to old ones with an all new perspective.
    I'm not saying that she'll grow to like Anakin, just "Never say never". If she doesn't, though, that's fine. We can't all agree! :)
     
  18. LZM65

    LZM65 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Didn't bother me one bit.
     
  19. ObiAlKenobi

    ObiAlKenobi Jedi Knight star 3

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    Everything.
     
  20. Celidore

    Celidore Jedi Knight star 3

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    For me it's not wrong. Young Anakin as ghost in the end represents his good soul when he was still a Jedi.
     
  21. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm torn about Hayden replacing Shaw in ROTJ. It doesn't make much sense, GL would say "it's because how he last looked when he was a true Jedi," or something, but the ending of ROTJ is all about how Anakin was always there underneath Vader's armour. As much as he fell to the darkside, deep down... he was always a Jedi and there was always some good in him. So that point is moot.

    Plus it's an insult to Shaw to take away really, one of his only appearances in the movie.

    But, I do like it because Hayden is good looking, and I always thought Shaw was Uncle Owen when I was a kid. But that's about it. It looks cheesy and so overly CGI it's sickening. I never thought he was smiling evily though, I kinda of felt it's supposed to be a proud smile of Luke and a smile of one at peace, and Hayden just fell kinda short.
     
  22. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Knight star 4

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    Yeah it's wrong because...
    -It is disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw
    -It looks terribly cropped
    -It shows Anakin how he looked when he was wiping out Jedi
    -It makes the whole force ghost appearance concept multiple-choice

    I just don't know why Lucas thought it was necessary. I do not want to be reminded of Anakin from the prequels.
     
  23. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What is wrong with Hayden as Anakin in the end scene of Return of the Jedi?

    The simpler question is - What is RIGHT with Hayden as Anakin in the end scene of Return of the Jedi? Answer - nothing
     
  24. Kenobi098

    Kenobi098 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Mostly because it was disrepectful to Shaw.
     
  25. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    It makes more sense for Luke to be viewing his father looking fatherly, not at his own age.

    Lucas seemed to be going for the whole symbolism/rhyming poetry or whatever scenario than a scene that made sense in universe.