CT What is wrong with Hayden as Anakin in the end scene of Return of the Jedi

You may nevertheless still not take that impression from the shot even though I've told you and it could still do the job you need it to do.

Or it may ruin the whole saga.

It's swings and roundabouts.

 

My guess is it wouldn't really ruin the movie for me. Even the special edition and "Jedi Rocks" couldn't do that. Still, I can see how some fans are not comfortable with Hayden as Force ghost. Those notorious Lucas "improvements" are not for everyone, but they work for some, though certainly not all of them. I guess it's just me but the Force ghost change was one of the more acceptable changes, while I felt others to be completely useless and unnecessary.

 

Shaw just happens to look like that, since he had no clue that he was supposed to be looking at Luke and Leia and that he was going to be in the finale. The real question is what were both actors told specifically when they were filmed, which would then determine their performance.

 

I don't have a problem with Hayden Christensen as Anakin's Force ghost. But I think the last shot of him looking upon Leia and Luke with pride makes sense. I don't like the initial shot of his awkward expression. Of course, Hayden said that he was filmed without his knowledge, and I'm inclined to believe him.

 

Though I've only watched a few interviews with Hayden, he always impressed me as a very down-to-earth kind of actor, not a trace of arrogance, but very easy-going with a nice sense of humor - my guess is that type is not easy to find in Hollywood these days. I perfectly agree with Lucas' choice to cast him as Anakin. So I believe him as well.

 

He was as interesting as Ian McDiarmid in the Blu-ray commentaries for ROTS. Very talented man.

 

Nothing is wrong with Hayden.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.vani...stensen-sand-smooth-star-wars-celebration/amp

The only real thing wrong with it is that it's not the original actor or version. The scene itself is okay, and you can think up endless justifications for Luke recognizing his young father. He has the Force, and even instinct could very well tell him who that man is.

 

Or he's not dumb as a box of rocks.

 

Exactly!!

This debate would be largely moot (and have a lot less venom in it) if the OOT were freely, legally available in high quality to match the SE releases. That way everyone can have the Anakin Skywalker of their choice.

(and when you combine them Anakin turns into Keir Dullea from the film of 2010)

 

I didn't like it, but didn't have a major issue with it. I thought the ending original was better.

 

I still hate this addition with a passion! I chose to ignore the PT because it's not for me and this forces the issue! I generally turn Jedi off just before the end (Yes it bothers me that much)

 

No matter which version of Anakin was featured in the final scene of Return of the Jedi, it still begs to question... how would Luke even know what his father looked like? He's never seen him throughout his entire life and the only time he's seen Anakin in person is at the very end of ROTJ when he's a deformed cyborg in a black oxygen suit. Even if Luke has the force, he still wouldn't recognize the 3rd ghost standing next to Obi-wan and Yoda.

 

Oh come on... The original Anakin reveal at the end was the same guy Luke had just encountered with his Vader mask removed - Just with hair and minus the scars! Good lord...

 

The audience recognized that they were one in the same person in the original version. Why wouldn't Luke? I recognized that they were the same person when I saw the film in 1983. I was ten-years-old at the time.

 

What is the point of seeing an old Anakin as a Force Ghost?
Anakin did not look old when he died in Mustafar

 

Agreed.

 

The original Anakin was burned beyond recognition after falling into a volcano and is "more machine now than man", according to Obi-wan. Plus, Anakin hasn't seen his own face in 25 years simply because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he used to be Anakin Skywalker before he was Darth Vader. Not even he himself would know what he used to look like before his disfigurement.

Like I said, Luke hasn't seen Anakin his entire life. When Superman created the fortress of solitude and encountered an astral projection of Jor-El, he didn't recognize his own father despite that he only had a brief moment with him as a baby so it's unrealistic that Luke would instantly recognize Anakin even if he does have the force.

 

There's a difference between Kal-El and Luke. The former didn't know anything about who he was, where he was from or why he was on Earth. So not knowing who Jor-El was made sense, because for all he knew, he was someone who wasn't his father. Luke, on the other hand, has known the name of his father and his occupation for years. He also knows that it is possible for one who dies to become a ghost and now he's seeing a third person with the two men that he knows and it doesn't take the Force to realize that this is his father, when he was younger. Especially since his father died a couple of hours ago and now he's standing there with Obi-wan and Yoda.

 

Anakinn died on Mustafar...??

 

Again, if we, the audience, recognized that they were the same person, why wouldn't Luke? We, the audience, saw what Luke saw, and we, the audience, instantly recognized that the ghost was the same man that Luke had unmasked on the Death Star.

 

He certainly didn't have all his hair or his limbs when he "died" on Mustafar, either.

 

He didn't die and continued to age. Even Palpatine said he was still alive when he found him.

 

Lucas' doesn't ascribe to the rules of showbiz hence Star Wars existing at all. He rewrites the rules.

Also if he did then since the original ending didn't work anymore it had to be taken out anyway.

I suggest that you get out of it what you put in. Both look fine in that sense. It's very short. Are people watching this on pause or something?

 

Qui-Riv-Brid

You defend this change religiously (and GL's right to have made it) I wonder how you would feel if they replaced some of HC's work in the PT...? Legit question. Disney now own the property...