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Discussion What needs to happen to make you say, "The ST was as good as the OT"?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by boomx2sjk, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Fleab88

    Fleab88 Jedi Master star 4

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    You see I always viewed the OT as a three act play. This may be that I was born by the time they were all out, but the three create one cohesive story. In any play you can usually catch a solid feeling in the first act, and the third, but just watching the middle creates confusion because it rarely has the meat of the plot. It;s part in the plot is only truly realized when placed in its proper place amongst the rest of the play. The second act is normally everything going wrong for the characters you are taught to love and care about. For a three act play perspective Empire Strikes Back does a phenomenal job as a second act. As a stand alone story it flounders, but to do what it does I have rarely seen anything as good as it.
     
  2. Fleab88

    Fleab88 Jedi Master star 4

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    Han didn't slaughter tusken raiders, jedi, and children with that same creepy stare. I get your point though. He was pretty sleezy in those moments.
     
  3. Darth Shibs

    Darth Shibs Jedi Knight star 1

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    Agreed. With this three act play concept, TESB did have focus. Without that concept however it doesn't have much focus. Both of your views are valid from...........
    wait for it.......
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    ........ a certain point of view. *gag* ahhah couldn't resist.
     
  4. Darth Shibs

    Darth Shibs Jedi Knight star 1

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    Exactly, why is our society saturated with pis&i#g matches?
     
  5. Cantina Bassist

    Cantina Bassist Jedi Knight star 2

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    Beacuse we're flawed, both as a species and as individuals?
     
  6. Darth Shibs

    Darth Shibs Jedi Knight star 1

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    Ya, I wonder if the ST viewed by me as a 6 year old would be the same as when I saw the OT when I was 6. Our adult perspective on things can makes things different.
     
  7. Darth Shibs

    Darth Shibs Jedi Knight star 1

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    Is this thread was in 1945, I'm sure it'd be night and day.

    We are flawed though, bring on 12/12, or 12/21, whenever they say it all ends haha
     
  8. Cantina Bassist

    Cantina Bassist Jedi Knight star 2

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    My wife just exposed me to Duck Dynasty.......I'd say it's accurate to suggest the end is nigh.
     
  9. Darth Shibs

    Darth Shibs Jedi Knight star 1

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    I always said that mankind won't ever "get it" until they find a cure for the common cold and stop slowing and gawking/rubbernecking at someone changing their tire on the side of the freeway
     
  10. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Have you ever been in an actual pissing match?

    It's awesome, full of drama, excitement, glory for the winner and shame for the loser.

    I'm not surprised to see pissing matches leak into other activities.
     
  11. Darth Shibs

    Darth Shibs Jedi Knight star 1

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    Like in corporate america, stop lights, sporting events, oh wait...

    Yup, push the button please.

    Well push it after the movies come out :D
     
  12. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

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    Anakin didn't slaughter with a stare, he used a weapon. And I'd say the act of slaughter goes a tad bit beyond "creepy" behavior. But my point certainly wasn't to suggest that viewers have no reason to question Anakin's overall behavior and Padme's reaction to it, but rather to illustrate common reaction to two specific scenes: one, where Anakin (the eventual antagonist) is called out for a creepy stare, and another, where Han (always a protagonist), is celebrated for some behavior that could easily be viewed as a creepy disrespecting of someone else's personal space.
     
  13. Cantina Bassist

    Cantina Bassist Jedi Knight star 2

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    Again, the reasons for this is simple: "commonly", Han is well liked and Anakin isn't. When Han does something like that, it's nowhere near as likely to make your skin crawl than when Anakin does. .
     
  14. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

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    And again I could point out that it's still interesting to me that one stylized space adventure relationship is expected to toe the line in regards to contemporary norms, and another is not despite that it basically boils down to "she wants it even though she won't admit it, so it's okay be touchy feely."

    It's almost as if the OT is a sacred cow or something. I mean, Blade Runner is too and yet I've seen fans of that film question Deckard's forcefulness with Rachael even in the context of the noir atmosphere.
     
  15. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  16. Cantina Bassist

    Cantina Bassist Jedi Knight star 2

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    That depends on what you compare it to. By anyone's standards though, it was certainly effective at creating a connection between its characters & the audience.
     
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  17. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    I thought most of the dialogue in the OT was brilliant.

    Each movie of the OT is one of the most quotable movies of all time. If the dialogue was that bad, we all wouldn't be quoting it so damn often.

    I don't think the acting was that bad, either. Mark as Luke is the only significant problem I have with the acting, and he gets better as the trilogy goes on. I could see that he was a bit out of his league in ANH and I actually think "faster and more intense" helped him more than it hurt.

    Both the acting and the dialogue of the OT were far superior to the PT, imo.
     
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  18. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    People who claim that the OT is the Trilogy That Must Judge All Other Trilogies have obviously not seen ROTJ in a long while. While I like it in some ways, it's easily my least favorite of the three and somewhat worse than ROTS. Let's just say that no trilogy is perfect.
    Except for Toy Story.
     
  19. Cantina Bassist

    Cantina Bassist Jedi Knight star 2

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    Not true.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollars_Trilogy
     
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  20. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    While I agree with what you just posted, that's a trilogy in the loosest sense. Mainly because Lee Van Cleef is not the same character both for For a Few Dollars More and The Good the Bad and the Ugly. He's an anti-hero in one, and a complete villain in the other. Still a great "trilogy" regardless.
     
  21. Cantina Bassist

    Cantina Bassist Jedi Knight star 2

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    Don't bother me with trifles.
     
  22. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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    I loved the PT but it does have a different feel to it than the OT. A lot of people have said this in the past but Knights of the Old Republic has an OT feel to it. If VII can convey that feeling that kotor and the OT had, then it will blow the PT away.
     
  23. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    Meh I guess I would call the Man With No Name a trilogy too.
     
  24. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Jedi Knight star 4

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  25. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    I've heard good things about that trilogy as well. I'll have to see it at some point.