Discussion in 'Nordic Countries Discussion' started by Tod, Feb 11, 2002.
Thus Finland in theory still belong to Sweden... you already proved it yourselfs!!
Or Sweden belongs to us!
Well.. that is nearly as scary thought.. maybe I will lose it if I try hard enough.
Well I never had to have Finnish in school, I thought you would be impressed by my incredible amount of Finnish.
Hey! I speak Finnish! Just sit back and listen to this...
Ei saa peittÃ¤Ã¤ ja parasta ennen. Paina lÃ¤ppÃ¤ sisÃ¤Ã¤n ja aava. Suoja ja hoitaa, baby!
Kiitos for listening.
Hmm... I wonder i OA win ban me if I say the P-word here?
I so rule.
I can speak Swahili too. Mahaba ni tongo
Or how about we make a switch? We take your king ( and princesses) and you get our president.
Take him, you'll get the whole family plus castle if you'll free us from this awful burden. BTW I'd also be glad trade them against your president, she seems cool.
Swahili, bah. I can write in Aurekbesh.
I am aware of the fact that Finland is bilingual, I meant that Sweden would have to become bilingual as well?
Heh, my compatriots trying to learn finnish! There?s an amusing thought!
On the offers of trade: I happily trade you our part of Lapland for Ã…land! However, our royal house for your president seems to be a very poor offer?
Tod, I realised I had missed including Charles X on the list of ?Competent Swedish Commanders After Gustavus II Adolphus?. I hereby submit him!
And when are you going to say something about my other arguments??
Well speaking of languages, I can still speak and write some Irish gaelic!
Is maith liom Bailey's agus Cider, ach ni maith liom Guinness.
Let's make a compromise. We skip the invasion bit and join Norway, Finland and Sweden and call ourselfs Nordic, Norden or something like that. We settle for a language known as Nordiska (that we in our best Tolkien fashion invent ourselfs)... How about that? How about our flag? well, White for the snow, some blue for the lakes and let's throw in some red and yellow there to so that we Swedes and Norweigans get som of our old flags too...
"However, our royal house for your president seems to be a very poor offer"
You want to keep them?!!?!?!?!?!!
As a loyal Scanian I find myself shocked that no one has talked about us southerners. If you wanna join Finland and Norway we Scanians will probably join Denmark and bring back the good old days. Has everyone forgotten about Ã–resundsbron?
Of course I want to keep the royal house, Erk! Having a king is necessary for the good order of the universe, maat.
Don?t laugh. It?s true.
Obscure languages you know?. Well, nothing I?ve heard yet has come close to impressing me.
SkÃ¥ne? Who needs it anyway?
Not you anyway MF
Long live SkÃ¥ne, we should do that Ã¶restad thing.
Go ahead! We've got the protective wall (a.k.a HallandsÃ¥sen)...
Hey! Why don't you wanna be apart of this great nordic country? Hmm... Do you see something we don't?
Of course, the great SkÃ¥ne flag! Denmark and Sweden in one !
I see skies of blue...clouds of white
Quiet Queen, here you are.
"If you dismiss military victories as ?only good luck?, then you can prove whatever you wish. It is not a valid argument." You're absolutely right in that. But let's consider Battle of Narva. Russians are besieging city of Narva. They have 32900 soldiers in fortified positions. Sweden have 10500 soldiers who are hungry and tired. Charles decides to attack at once despite officers' objections. The idea is to breach russian fortifications in both flanks. After brief bombardment by swedish artillery Charles orders infantry to attack. At the same time begins snow storm so nobody can see no more than about 20 m. Since it's impossible to see anything or even give orders to troops generals again want to stop the attack but Charles still presses the attack. This time gamble worked. Russians didn't have time to open fire before swedish forces fell upon them. Panic started among russians and lot of them drowned to Narva river. Russians lost about 10000 men dead and about 15000 were captured, swedish losses were minimal. I consider this victory a lucky one because it was mostly due to favourable weather. If weather had cleared before swedish army got to russian positions I very much doubt they could have won.
Gustavus III planned to make an amphibious assault near St. Petersburg while smaller army attacks Vyborg from land. Troops were badly equipped and supplied and officers were almost openly revolting. Amphibious assault had to be called off because swedish navy couldn't defeat russian fleet. On land things didn't work out either. Swedes failed to capture Fredrikshamn or Nyslot. Gustavus was lucky that Denmark declared war on Sweden and he had good reason to leave Finland. Denmark signed peace soon and next summer Gustavus tried again to advance to Vyborg. And again he failed. Sweden was about to lose the war when Cronstedt managed to destroy russian fleet and Russia agreed to sign peace in august 1790. Gustavus was assasinated 16.3.1792. I'm not all that familiar Gustavus' campaing against Denmark but his campaign against Russia shows no talent as a military commander.
Charles X achieved many victories but he nearly exhausted Sweden with his wars. And I still haven't found very detailed information about Charles XIV Gustavus.
Quote:On the offers of trade: I happily trade you our part of Lapland for Ã…land!
No deal. Lapland stays.
I want to keep Lapland too. Are we inviting Estonia to our project too?
We need SkÃ¥ne. where from would we otherwise get all our good musicians; Bob Hund, Philemon Artur, Peps, etc etc....
BTW, I laugh. : D
Yes! for Invading Estonia too. Also, the Democracy of East-Karrelia would be nice to invade too...
Karelia should belong to Finland, so I'm all for that part of the plan.
And I can't say that I would need the musicians of Scania.
Can we please include the Kola peninsula? I've always wanted to go there...
BTW the reason I have for not wanting to have anything to do with Norge is, because after all.......they are the last soviet republic...
Also, if we reunite with Finland we can take whats left of ericsson and put it into Nokia, then we would rule the cellphone market as father and son............