Rebels What other forms of evil should appear in Rebels?

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  1. TaradosGon Manager Emeritus

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    It was something I wanted to see in TCW but didn't happen and could possibly be dealt with in Rebels, but I wanted to know why Palpatine tolerated the Hutts, or at least Jabba.

    Palpatine is all about Order and the Hutts were all about circumventing political authority to deal with illegal goods. It's not like Palpatine and Vader don't know where to find Jabba or don't know this is going on. So I always thought it kind of odd that Vader was even giving Boba his blessing to take Solo to Jabba after Luke was contained on Cloud City.

    So I'd like to see more of the Hutts, or at least Jabba. I don't know if the Hutts are collectively tolerated or if Jabba is paying a tax to the Empire to keep his autonomy or what the deal is.
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  2. anotherdemon Jedi Master

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    You'll probably find that large drug operations have been tolerated when their revenue is very high, which is what the Hutts probably do.

    The Empire [and affiliated groups] "taxes" the hell out of them.

    Win-win, as the Empire gets its cut, but it's not the one making and supplying the illegal goods.
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  3. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The Spice Mines of Kessel are run by the Empire.

    However - they claim jurisdiction over all spice mined - and reserve it for military & intelligence use (little telepathic boost is handy for interrogators).

    The Hutts have a deal with people on Kessel, that allows their minions to smuggle enormous amounts of spice off it.

    Result - the Empire is "making the legal goods" but the Hutts are stealing it, and selling it as "illegal goods".
  4. Darkslayer Force Ghost

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    I'd love to see some interaction between Vader and Jabba.
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  5. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    With Vader, in suit, speaking perfect Huttese. It is actually his first language.
  6. ScorpionJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    I have a feeling the Vong aren't going away any time soon. There's a new Darth Maul novel called: "Lockdown" which has a Yuuzhan Vong. If they're allowing this novel to go through and be published and sold one year before the movies then maybe they're actually keeping them.
  7. Darkslayer Force Ghost

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    [face_laugh]
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  8. MaulLover1313 Jedi Youngling

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    Pirates
    Black Sun
    CIS Holdouts
    Bounty Hunters
    Hutts
    Deathwatch
    Cho'ppa (Force Unleashed)
    Criminals
    Terrorists
    Dark Jedi
    Nightsisters
    Pykes
    Other Rebels
  9. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    Pretty much same as everyone else has been saying: Criminal underworld with Hutts, Black Sun, Smugglers, Pirates and Bounty Hunters. Then anti-imperial Warlords (Like former CIS- officers etc.) and religious or semi-religious cults like nightsisters. That idea of different rebels "bad rebels" that are more like terrorists sounds interesting, but I doubt that they are not using it. Not so sure about Yuuzhan Vong, but that could be interesting.
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  10. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Give us anything and everything!

    Gives us an appearance by the Vong as well!
  11. Revanfan1 Chosen One

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    That's a surprisingly specific list. :p
  12. MaulLover1313 Jedi Youngling

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    What's specific about it?
  13. JediGirl_Angelina Force Ghost

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    I'd like to see pirates, slavers, smugglers, general criminals (thieves, murderers), spice miners even. We should get a bit more insight about underground creatures. That's what I loved about Hondo's hideout: the music, the drunks, the fights, the epic facepalm of Obi-Wan :D , they all felt real.
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  14. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    There are other dark side organisations in the galaxy, not just the Sith. The Inquisitor is the first non-Sith villain in Rebels; however, I wish to see pure blood Sith and the Prophets of the Dark Side and other cults, too.
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  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The Yevetha, Ssi-ruuk, Nagai and Tofs were pretty good examples- it would be interesting to see similar things.
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  16. Nexumaster Force Ghost

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  17. MaulLover1313 Jedi Youngling

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    Slavers
    The Vong
    Smugglers
    Thieves
    Murderers
    Monsters
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  18. SeparatistFan Jedi Grand Master

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    I like the idea of seeing some more menacing Hutts, it would be nice to see some that could put up a good fight. I didn't like how easily Maul and his allies took out the Hutt forces in S5, plenty of Death Watch troops should have been killed at least.

    I also like the idea of seeing many of the other forms of evil that other people have mentioned.
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  19. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The EU's given us a few more warlike Hutts, like Parella the Hunter (Scourge novel) and Zodoh (Knight Errant: Deluge comic).
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  20. vong333 Force Ghost

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    See this is what I don't want to see. I don't want Rebels to become another series with all out force users. The only evil I want to see is the might of the Empire. I want to see stormtroopers, tie fighters, and star destroyers. No fleet action because the Rebels should not have a fleet. Sorry fleet boys, this is guerilla warefare at its best.....think Vietnam as the Vietnamese did hit and fade tactics. Now these make good stories.I want to see real tangible things that can be evil, like a sadistic Moff or Commader and stuff like that. Not a force group or force powers that can upset the status quo. TCW showed us the good, bad, and ugly concerning all this stuff.
  21. StarWarsFan91 Force Ghost

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    Prophets of the dark side could make sense, but not red sith. They are extinct in this era. If you want to see them in animation, hope that Disney makes a Old Republic era series :)
  22. QuangoFett Force Ghost

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    Since the Jedi are all but extinct and even elite Imperial leaders are prone to dismissing Force powers as mere "sorcerer's ways" practised by a single adherent to the "ancient religion" who isn't even a Jedi, Rebels should feature more Force-insensitive antagonists.

    Lucasfilm could perhaps show post-ROTS holdouts of the CIS who are not honourable, decent and serious long-term allies of the Alliance to Restore the Republic in spite of their mutual opposition to the Empire. These "neo-Separatists" would be dangerous paramilitaries who have no intention of helping the Rebels restore the Republic, though a temporary partnership is not necessarily out of the question.

    This idea, developed further, takes inspiration from the historical Operation Gladio. This was NATO's clandestine stay-behind operation, intended to continue the fight against communism in the event of Western Europe being overrun by Soviet forces. Rather more sinister was its alleged purpose to prevent even the democratic election of socialists and communists to power. The Greek affiliate of Gladio was involved in the 1967 coup and the right-wing terrorists who clashed with far-left terrorists and government forces in 1970s/80s Italy were alleged by some journalists to be linked with Gladio. As the most ardent anticommunists, the people recruited into Gladio-linked paramilitaries tended to be far-right/fascist, even brazenly Nazi. It was only when the Cold War ended that the existence of Operation Gladio was acknowledged.

    The equivalent in Star Wars would be a CIS clandestine stay-behind network of paramilitaries, set up in the years before and during the Clone Wars, controlled by the CIS state security services out of Raxus Secundus, and intended to make things difficult for the Republic in the event of Separatist worlds being forcibly re-annexed. It would essentially be the counterpart of the Loyalist insurgent forces established by the Jedi Council in TCW-S5's Onderon arc. The distinction would be the ideological inclination of the people recruited into these clandestine Separatist paramilitaries. Where the Onderon resistance was filled with people who yearn for freedom and generally see the Jedi as partners, the Separatist paramilitaries would be ideologically inclined towards Sith cultism, essentially SW neo-Nazis. Adherents to such extremism would be the most likely to stick with the cause of the CIS and refuse to compromise or defect.

    Not only are they fanatically hateful towards the Jedi and the Republic the Order fights for, they (like most of the galaxy) are in the dark about the Sith and regard Vader as a pretender. Tyranus is the Sith Lord to whose vision they are loyal, believing him to be the Baneite Sith Master who will rebuild a Galaxy-spanning Sith Order through the Confederacy. Compared to the general hostility towards all Force-sensitivity prevalent among the top ranks of the Empire, these Separatists are more viciously partisan in the Jedi-versus-Sith conflict. Not all of the Separatist paramilitaries are Sith cultist, but enough of them are to exert a sizeable ideological influence over the rest of them.

    With the folding of the CIS after the deaths of Dooku, Grievous, and the other oligarchs in ROTS, the Separatist paramilitaries continue the fight. They refuse all attempts by Imperial Intelligence and Sidious to bring them to heel peacefully. They conduct terrorist attacks against civilians and Sidious settles for using them as a pretext for Imperial military expansion. They rope in former CIS military personnel of varying inclinations, with the fleet commanders (Mar Tuuk?) tending to be more moderate and the intelligence officers who set up the stay-behind network being more extreme. They all proudly fly the blue hexagon as a symbol of their defiance, long past the adoption of the phoenix emblem by the Rebels who seek to restore the Republic.

    Their role in Rebels would be as untrustworthy allies of the eponymous heroes. The neo-Separatist paramilitaries brutal, amoral, and fanatical, but they're still much-needed help against the Empire. The crew of the Ghost could be forced into a situation where they have to rely on the neo-Separatists for assistance. Kanan and/or Ezra would have to deal with the fact that there is a disturbingly large number of their temporary allies who fanatically despise them. Perhaps Kanan and/or Ezra is entrapped by the neo-Separatists with the purpose of killing them. Moderates would be more inclined towards tolerating the Jedi and perhaps fully joining with the Rebel Alliance, but even among them there would be a sense that the Rebels should integrate themselves into the neo-Separatist paramilitaries rather than the other way around. Staging a mini-coup at some smaller pro-Republic Rebel cells in order to bring their assets into the neo-Separatist paramilitaries would be their way of showing who's boss.

    Neo-Separatists of all stripes would offer some very interesting shades of grey. Sure, the Empire would be the main nemesis and most antagonists should be Imperial, but the neo-Separatists could serve Rebels in the same way the more morally ambiguous Earth Kingdom antagonists served Avatar: The Last Airbender. Those characters were both on the side opposing and supporting the protagonists at varying points in the story.
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  23. TaradosGon Manager Emeritus

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    I am all for Separatists, but I have a hard time believing that there are CIS holdouts still. Their armies were shut down, the guys with the money funding them were executed, and the political and military leaders were both killed in combat.

    I would imagine that the CIS Senate on Raxus would have surrendered unconditionally, with anyone disagreeing with the surrender scattering, every man for himself, into the Outer Rim, with the Imperial forces mopping them up in the years that follow as they try to raise another army.

    Now that doesn't preclude the possibility of another Separatist movement, not at all affiliated with the CIS, which I would be all for. Especially if there is a rift in the early Rebellion over what their aims are, with people like Bail wanting to go back to restore the Republic, with other individuals arguing that the Republic was broken, and having no interest in resurrecting the Republic Senate and instead wanting to break away from the Empire, rather than reforming it.
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  24. QuangoFett Force Ghost

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    The CIS itself would have been utterly destroyed. I'm not a fan of what Battlefront II did with the entire Providence-class destroyer and large droid army over Mustafar somehow being reactivated by this one engineer. Droid armies are not without the need for logistics support, which would probably be very comparable to that which an army of organics would need.

    The few holdouts would be small paramilitaries like the ones which conducted terror attacks during the Years of Lead in Italy. They'd be the neo-Nazis to the CIS's Third Reich. They could have an interesting dynamic with both the Empire and the Rebels.
  25. purplerain Force Ghost

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    I would love to see a rivalry between Trench and Thrawn.