What religious beliefs do you have?

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What religious beliefs do you have?

Poll closed Mar 24, 2012.
Christian 585 vote(s) 54.5%
Judaism 25 vote(s) 2.3%
Islam 19 vote(s) 1.8%
Buddhist 20 vote(s) 1.9%
Agnostic 93 vote(s) 8.7%
Athiest 188 vote(s) 17.5%
Other 143 vote(s) 13.3%
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  1. plocool Jedi Knight

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    Why Demodex?
    Atheists, Christians, Catholics, Pagans, Muslims, Protestants, Buddhists etc have helped and hurt humanity in many ways. Why single out Catholicism or Christianity?
    I have a great deal of faith in God. I don't force or preach to anyone about sin or the right path. I am a Christian b/c I love Christ. I am also an Ifa devotee b/c I love the Orishas. I decide what my path is through my decisions.
    I don't blame any religion for suffering. I blame those who use it to cause suffering.
    Hitler was an atheist.
    Chinese communists killed Buddhists b/c of their faith.
    Muslims sacked west African villages and killed their inhabitants because Orisha worshipers believed in "idols."
    Now, do I hate these religions? No.
    That's like blaming the Islamic faith for what happend in NYC WTC.

    Sorry about that.
  2. Ender Jedi Grand Master

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    Just a few quotes by Hitler to show he wasn't an atheist:


    ?We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.?

    ( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933. )



    "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no
    religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious
    foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion
    must be derived from faith ... we need believing people." [Adolf Hitler,
    April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the
    Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]

    "I am, and will remain until death, a Roman Catholic." -- Adolf
    Hitler, 1939


    ?The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.?

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf; Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 562. )


    ?Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.?

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf; Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )


    ?My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago ? a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

    ?Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

    ?And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.?

    ( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed., The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939, Volume 1, Oxford University Press, 1942, pp. 19-20. )
    ?I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitu
  3. plocool Jedi Knight

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    Hmm. Now Endar which web site did you get these quotes from anyway.
    I could easily find quotes on the web that make Hitler an atheist.

    The truth of the matter is Hitler did not believe in Jesus enough NOT to kill millions of people. Anither question is whether Hitler was even believable.

    Remember that Hitler had to convince the majority of people in Germany that he was on "their" side. For ex:

    "To whom should propaganda be addressed? ? It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses? The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself ? its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect? it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Mein Kampf, Vol 2, Ch 14)

    Consider this quote from a speech in
    Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939:
    "Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration:
    1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted..."

    Yeah right he only killed of millions of Jews.

    Or what about his views on Christianity?

    "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

    "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
    "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

    "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

    The predeeding quotes were all taken out of "Hitler's Table Talk" (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953

    They can also be found here:
    http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html#hitlernonchristian

    Whether Hitler was an Atheist or a Christian is a question that can only be answered by his actions. He prefered scientific thought to religion. He was an evolutionist, yet dabbled in astrology until he was angered by a prediction he didn't like.
    He didn't belive in religion but praised it in many speeches in order to win over the masses.

    He may have been Christian until he conceived his idea of Nazi Germany. He didn't truly believein God, or else he wouldn't have contradicted himself so many times.

    Sorry Endar, but I was just asking someone why they would rather be the opp. of Christianity when other religions and beliefs, including Atheism, has benefitted and damaged humanity.
    I wasn't wrong to call Hitler an atheist, nor were you wrong to point out that he had Christian beliefs at one point in his life. Nevertheless, look what he did, and how he justified it.

    Sorry again for the long post.
  4. Ender Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, he was brought up Catholic and was an alter boy.

    In Mein Kampf he considers himself a Christian. This was before he attained power and was speaking to the masses.

    It would be like me claiming Stalin wasn't an atheist because he killed scientists who wouldn't go along with his revolution.

    Sorry, the "He's not a true Christian" argument doesn't wash with me.

    Even if he wans't a Christian he still wasn't an atheist because he constantly professed a belief in a creator. Plus he despised communism. He was at least a theist of some sort.

    My source of Hitler quotes

    ?Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. A fight for freedom had begun mightier than the earth had ever seen; for once Destiny had begun its course, the conviction dawned on even the broad masses that this time not the fate of Serbia or Austria was involved, but whether the German nation was to be or not to be.?

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf; Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 161. )

    Sure sounds like an atheist.
  5. ImperialJedi Jedi Master

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  6. plocool Jedi Knight

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    Endar, if i was raised as an Atheist but became part of a Christian cult when I was older, does that still make me an atheist?

    Now, if I committed mass murder would you call me a Christian or an Atheist.

    It all depends on your perspective.

    Anyway, my question to Demodex was why he would rather belong to any faith - Christianity?

    Professors at Universities are preaching against Christianity. I've sat in classes where the Prof. blatantly calls Jesus an A-hole, but respects Muslims and anarchists.

    My point is that every form of human thought, every idea is manipulated by those who have power.
    Cuba is an excellent ex.
    Here's a country that had some poverty, aome wealth and a huge mid class. Castro preached against US elitism and ownership of Cuban fields and created a rebellion based on racial and class issues.
    He spoke out gainst prostitution and crime in Cuba.
    43 yrs later there is more prostitution and crime and hunger in Cuba than there ever was. But Castro's still got his power.
    Some blame the US embargo, but what about Csnada, France, Italy and other countries whose businesses own property and trade with Cuba?

    Castro is also an Ifa devotee, I don't blame Ifa for his actions. He denounced Ifa for yrs b/c of the economic and military support from the Soviet Union.

    He's a socialist/Communist but not an atheist. So despising communism does not make one a religious person. Castro is a case in point.

    Sorry for all the babble.


  7. stevo Jedi Master

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    Aug 14, 2001
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    Ah, religon. As being a buddhist all my life, I have been through thousands of situations where I have lost friends or been mocked cuz i'm "budda boy" I really do realize that that no true christian would say something like this.

    My father and mother are Unitarian Unaversalists an their belief makes a lot of sense to me. Aceppting everyone is a thing that I try to practice alot. Buddhism just has all the answers I need although I am not very religous, Only go to the temple on like holidays and maybe 1 time a month.

    sorry about the babbling, i have waaay too much free time. :D
  8. RogueJaina Jedi Master

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    Jul 6, 2001
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    I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Anyone who wants to know how to order a copy of the Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ, PM or e-mail me for the phone number.
  9. Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling

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    Back when I voted, I voted Athiest, but I'm now Agnostic.
  10. Ian_Ball Jedi Master

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    Sep 21, 2001
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    I chose "other" why? look at all the damage religion has done to the world...dosen`t anyone ever learn?

    The answer, No.

    The result... the armegeddon each one of them is looking forward to.
  11. Ia-Bou Jedi Knight

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    Jul 15, 2001
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    Jesus Freak all the way..........

    check out my fan film page....
    http://www.billboard.net/aotf
  12. CoruscantJedi Jedi Youngling

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    The light sideness of the light side.
  13. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    Thanks to procool

    This is why so many Muslims through out the world have doubts about western and Christians alike, not knowing that his/her very own people had committed atrocities as well.


    ?Muslims sacked west African villages and killed their inhabitants because Orisha worshipers believed in "idols." ?


    HAVEN?T YOU SEEN WHAT YOUR PEOPLE HAVE DONE

    During 1980, Group of Christian militants came into a village in Lebanon
    and butchered 800 Muslims and one of them asked a soldier if he could get him a potion of Muslim blood to drink.

    And how about the Serbs. They are Christian too they killed many Muslims
    In the Yugoslavia Civil War

    Or the time when you came to America, Africa, India, Australia and China and Thrashed your Christian Views on native people.


    No, you won?t mention that since this is done by Christian people, but very happy to criticize others

    And please don?t go and Justify yourself to say that you don?t hate Muslim -OK It sure LOOKS LIKE IT.
  14. CoruscantJedi Jedi Youngling

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    I am lightside freak, that's mine. [face_laugh]
  15. plocool Jedi Knight

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    Darth Arsenal:
    First of all, Who are my people?

    What category have you placed me in?

    Africans? Blacks? Whites? Christians? Santero? What?

    Secondly, I don't feel the need to justify anything. I say what I feel I need to say. If you don't agree that's your P.O.V.

    Thirdly, If you can deduct from my statement that I hate muslims, then you're as biased as you claim I am.

    Read everything I'm saying not just what pertains to you. I don't know whether you're a Muslim, liberal, atheist, Palero or rich kid with plenty of cynicism to spare.

    I can't deduct that from what you say.
    My comments were geared to someone who stated that they would rather be the opposite of Christian.

    It is human nature to have good and evil. Christians are as guilty as anyone. But so are others, yet most of the bashing is geared towards Christians these days.

    By the way, T believe in Christ bu I am an Ifa devotee, look it up. I don't think you know what that is.
    And I have been challenged by Muslims and Christians who say that what I believe in is evil.
    Extremism in all religions and poltics leads to destruction. Heck, to a large degree SW deals with that in terms of the force, Jedi knights and the dedication involved.

    That's all, I have no other apologies except for my lengthy digression and post.
  16. plocool Jedi Knight

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  17. plocool Jedi Knight

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  18. plocool Jedi Knight

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    damn! unintentional triple post...
    Perdona me, acere.
  19. stevo Jedi Master

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    I agree. Religon causes so much damage. I may be Buddhist , but i don't worship any gods. I have a totally aethisic religon. Religon is so stupid because the Bible/Quar'an/whatever you use always has a very vauge definiton. Somebody reads something and what they get from it is" I should try to convert other people and see God's love." Others might say "I demolish these people because they are ignorant of God's light."

    Relgon causes soo much death, but usually it prevents death.

    I do not believe that God exists for the reason that the puzzle of life doesn't fit together with some of Bible's verses.
  20. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    To Procool:

    ?Secondly, I don't feel the need to justify anything. I say what I feel I need to say. If you don't agree that's your P.O.V.?


    Thirdly, If you can deduct from my statement that I hate muslims, then you're as biased as you claim I am.



    I think you should, since you are so eager critises other religion and not your own. Not realising that the entire world is watching this forum.
    Or are you trying to say that what you say counts and not mine.
    How did you come to the conclusion that I?m bias, I mean I don?t have the right to defend this religion ? If you make an attack I will Defend IT.
    I think the Idea Freedom of speech on religion could show disrespect to others that would leads to racisms and hate. If you have a problem with another
    religion go to some with an open minded view to find more about it or at least
    find out yourself and forget the other idiots who think they know better.
    All I?m saying is watch what you put I mean I'm getting a bit fed up if not offended
    of all the media *********

    ?Professors at Universities are preaching against Christianity. I've sat in classes where the Prof. blatantly calls Jesus an A-hole, but respects Muslims and anarchists.?

    WHAT A ****** !! HOW COULD SOMEONE RESPECT MUSLIM OR ISLAM IF THEY CAN?T RESPECT ANY PROFITS (pbut) in the Quran

    Stevo:

    You have it all wrong it?s not religion it?s the people that take out of contents
  21. plocool Jedi Knight

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    Dart Arsenal6:

    The fact that we live in an open society or participate in a forum that exists in an open and free soceity gives us the right to state our opinions. If I blatantly attacked Muslims or Atheists or Buddhists with harsh words and offensive language, then I would have to justify what I say. I don't feel that need. I am not offended when someone says Christianity has played a role in someone elses's misery because sometimes, its true.I don't like abortion, but bombing abortion clinics in the name of God seems more of an act of evil. But it isn't just Christianity. There are Santeros in the US. who use Ifa to get money from the devout just like there are Muslims who use Islam as a justification for suicidal bombings.

    And yeah, the Media is nuts. But just as you are fed up with the prtrayel of Muslims in the Media I am tired of the portrayel of Christians.

    Nowadays, It seems politically incorrect to say you believe in God.

    And I just wanted to understand why.

  22. DarthArsenal6 Force Ghost

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    And I don't think you will. It seems in Today socite people want to forget about God.
    I know this already. Muslim people are begining to forgeting their faith.
    Myself I don't really care about them since
    they will have to some explaination soon during Judgement day. Only if they try and interfer with me then problem starts.

    I know how you feel about it Like that Heavy Metalist Maylin something who dressed up like a pope and then made some comments agaisnt Christanity- the sick thing after that is Three Teenager girls came across a nun and Killed her.


    What I was refering to earlier on was that so many people made attacks on Islam but then you know that already.

    By the way Tell me more about that Professor you mentioned
  23. Darth Dradus Jedi Master

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    I am Zen Buddhist in philospohy becuase to say it is a religion is a bit of a strech because it is not spritual in the normal sense at all. But with that out of the way I guess religiously speaking, I would fall under Agnostic.
  24. plocool Jedi Knight

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    Dart Arsenal6:

    This prof taught cultural anthropology at the University I attend in Jersey City, NJ.
    He didn't focus on culture as much as he focused on religion.
    He once said Jesus was an a hole b/c he claimed to perform miracles and influenced people to join his cause but eventually led more of them to their deaths.
    He made fun of Vodoun and Santeria and called it "candle magic crap."
    I mean this guy was a real jerk.
    And he said he respected Muslims b/c they weren't hippocrites; they were willing to kill themselves for their religion. Now that's just stupid and ignorant, but healways said things to this effect.

    This guy claimed to be an atheist, but I think he gives them a bad name. He also said other ludicrous things, but Man, I'm glad I nnever had him for another class.
  25. CoruscantJedi Jedi Youngling

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    Um, don't turn this inot a war dudes.
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