What Should The Music Be Like For The Anakin/Obi-Wan Duel In EpIII?

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  1. Obi-Wan_Skywalker_29 Jedi Master

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    You see, in TPM, we associate DOTF with an epic lightsaber duel. It has nothing to do with Anakin. In AOTC, we associate it with the turmoil Anakin is experiencing and his inner conflict.

    Basically, it was used in two totally different instances in the prequels so far. If John Williams had just used it for epic saber duels, it woulda been cool in EpIII, or if he had just used it to for Anakin's inner turmoil, it would have worked great in EpIII.


    Yes, but the duel in Episode 3 combines both of these elements- both Anakin's turmoil and an epic lightsaber duel. So, using your logic, DOTF is perfect for the duel.
  2. Jedi_Orion Jedi Master

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    I think there should be no music at all for that scene(ok, maybe at the end, samothing sad i strong at the same time). Furthermore I think DOTF would not fit in that scene. It seems just... wrong.
    John Williams should make something original, something that whould be rememberd in the next few years as the best SW piece of music.
  3. Indie_Knight Jedi Padawan

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    I would like to hear the music from ROTJ,when Vader is fighting Luke in the Emperor's Throne room.
  4. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    I'm hoping there'll be music *reminsicent* of the Luke/Vade duel, lots of the Force Theme and suspenseful music.

    Although I'm hoping the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel is an "event" duel, like TPM's was-just a visual/aural spectacle. In that case, DOTF would be outstanding.
  5. Jedimancer Jedi Master

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    I think that(especially since the Duel's supposed to be a LONG fight), that a mix of themes should be used, including DOTF.
  6. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    I was thinking that a melancholy statement of Qui-Gon's Theme might fit in well at a decisive moment for Anakin.
  7. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    ^That'd be coo, General Kenobi. Or maybe when Anakin finally gets beaten? Qui-Gon is the connecting link between Anakin and Obi-Wan after all..might go well here.
  8. Cerrabore Jedi Master

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    I was thinking that a melancholy statement of Qui-Gon's Theme might fit in well at a decisive moment for Anakin.

    That would be great. It would illustrate the fact that Anakin is really Qui-Gon's failure, not Obi-Wan's.
  9. Israel_Angell Jedi Knight

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    If no one has said it yet,a song similiar to the duel between Luke And Vader (Climax)
  10. --Darth_Ganondorf-- Jedi Master

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    I was thinking that a melancholy statement of Qui-Gon's Theme might fit in well at a decisive moment for Anakin.



    That's actually a pretty nice idea...if it isn't a direct statement. I'd prefer it to be "hidden" if it's going to be there at all. If it's just an all out statement, that one moment's going to turn into another "Escape from Cloud City" when Yoda's Theme shows up from the middle of nowhere. The only time I'd allow Qui-Gon's Theme to be direct is if he was directly spoken of at the same time
  11. Cerrabore Jedi Master

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    Luke's rescue of his friends (uh, before it fails) is the culmination of all Yoda has taught him. I think the theme is appropriate, at least when Luke's around (Leia & crew, ehhh, maybe not).

    As I said, Anakin is Qui-Gon's failure, so I don't see why Williams (were he to use the Qui-Gon's theme) shouldn't deliver a full statement of the theme.
  12. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    If no one has said it yet,a song similiar to the duel between Luke And Vader (Climax)

    I suggest reading the rest of the thread! :) There is duscussion about whether or not to use "The Dark Side Beckons" (or some similar non-thematic score).

    The only time I'd allow Qui-Gon's Theme to be direct is if he was directly spoken of at the same time

    While I wouldn't go so far as to say that Anakin is strictly Qui-Gon's failure, he did discover Anakin, free Anakin, and make Obi-Wan promise to train Anakin as he lay dying. I think it is highly appropriate, thematically speaking, to use Qui-Gon's theme in the duel scene. I'd say there is an even greater connection than Yoda to the "Rescue From Cloud City" (and I rather like that use of Yoda's Theme) in ESB.
  13. DARTH_CHINA Force Ghost

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    I so hope John Williams will use Qui-Gon's theme again. Probably my fav. Star Wars theme. It feels so lyrical and warm. The duel would be a nice spot for some variation on the theme. :)

    The scene in AOTC, when Dooku talked about Qui-Gon would've been a superb spot to use the theme. It's a pity they used TPM music for that powerful scene. :(
  14. --Darth_Ganondorf-- Jedi Master

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    I'd say there is an even greater connection than Yoda to the "Rescue From Cloud City" (and I rather like that use of Yoda's Theme) in ESB.


    Me too, but IMHO the first time I heard it, it seemed out of place. It's grown on me over the years, but it was just those first few listens. Qui-Gon is a great connector between the two and I agree it would be cool to hear it used when Obi-Wan gives Anakin another chance to turn back. All I'm saying is don't put it in some random spot for some random reason


    The duel would be a nice spot for some variation on the theme


    Yes, variation; exactly :). If it is put in some random spot for some random reason after all, make it a variation of the theme instead. That was the other part of what I was saying

    Luke's rescue of his friends (uh, before it fails) is the culmination of all Yoda has taught him. I think the theme is appropriate, at least when Luke's around (Leia & crew, ehhh, maybe not).

    That's why I didn't bring up Yoda's Theme being used in Luke's rescue. I knew why it was there, part of the reason being Yoda taught Luke, and now Luke's trying to rescue his friends based off Yoda's teachings. In "Escape from Cloud City", Luke isn't even present (like you said). Heck, none of the people there are even present Force users. It's good music, but rather out of place for the moment IMO
  15. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    Well, a statement of Qui-Gon's theme wouldn't be at any random moment...

    as I suggested above: "...might fit in well at a decisive moment for Anakin".

    :)

    Or, rather, what if JW threw a curve and used a bold, triumphant statement of Qui-Gon's at a moment of success for Obi-Wan, rather than the Force theme?

    //trying to imagine such a statement, followed by the choral Force Theme :D
  16. ANAKINSKYWEEZER Force Ghost

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    Sorry if I'm being a bit ignorant, but what exactly is Qui-Gon's theme?
  17. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    Qui-Gon's Theme is best heard:

    - At the start of the track "Anakin Is Free" (Track 1 Disc 2 TPM:UE) when Qui-Gon tells Obi-Wan to get the hyperdrive generator installed while he goes back for some "unfinished business".

    - In the next track "Qui-Gon And Darth Maul Meet" (Track 2 Disc 2 TPM:UE) as Maul attacks Qui-Gon in the desert and Anakin runs to the Queen's ship.

    :)
  18. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    ^Yeah, GK's second example is the "action" version of the theme. Verry cool-sounding.

    Although, IMO, a sad version of Qui-Gon's theme would be great in the The Duel, when Obi-Wan finally beats Anakin. This is the last thing Qui-Gon would've wanted.

    Or just to be subversize, a triumphant Emperor's Theme. This, after all, is the Emperor's greatest triumph. Anakin's fate is sealed with this.
  19. Cerrabore Jedi Master

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    Qui-Gon's Theme is best heard:

    - At the start of the track "Anakin Is Free" (Track 1 Disc 2 TPM:UE) when Qui-Gon tells Obi-Wan to get the hyperdrive generator installed while he goes back for some "unfinished business".

    - In the next track "Qui-Gon And Darth Maul Meet" (Track 2 Disc 2 TPM:UE) as Maul attacks Qui-Gon in the desert and Anakin runs to the Queen's ship.


    And also when Qui-Gon dies (in fact, without this third occurence, the theme couldn't really be considered Qui-Gon's).

    Or, rather, what if JW threw a curve and used a bold, triumphant statement of Qui-Gon's at a moment of success for Obi-Wan, rather than the Force theme?

    While the two themes have similar structures, it's hard to imagine a triumphant version of Qui-Gon's Theme...well, I'm sure Williams could come up with one. :D
  20. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    I think it's easy to imagine...

    however, perhaps "triumphant" isn't the right word for that cue.

    Maybe "bold, poignant" (as opposed to "soft, melancholy")?
  21. severian28 Force Ghost

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    Alot of the SW score is variations on itself so I suspect that the duel will be a darker, more ominous variation on the " Duel of the Fates " - which is exactly the theme of the final duel, even moreso than the duel with Maul.
  22. --Darth_Ganondorf-- Jedi Master

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    Or, rather, what if JW threw a curve and used a bold, triumphant statement of Qui-Gon's at a moment of success for Obi-Wan, rather than the Force theme?

    //trying to imagine such a statement, followed by the choral Force Theme



    =D=!! Love the thought of that! Nice idea! Still working with your choral Force Theme I see ;)




    On a side note, I mentioned a choral Darth Vader's Theme a few pages ago, and since the PT credits seem to end with Darth Vader's Theme, how about a choral Darth Vader's Theme at the end of the credits instead? :D That way there can be an original, maybe gothic cue for when Anakin falls and so forth

    A bit off-topic, but another idea nevertheless
  23. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    During my run today, I rethought my idea about the use of Qui-Gon's theme. Perhaps it might best be used when Obi-Wan goes off to try to turn Anakin back. (I'm assuming this based on what Vader says to Luke on Endor -- "Obi-Wan once thought as you do".)

    Something along the lines of...

    Yoda: Too late, it is. Failed to fulfill the prophecy, he (the chosen one) has.

    Obi-Wan: No. I've got to try. (Perhaps with refernce to his oath to Qui-Gon.)

    And then we hear a defiant, perhaps sadly futile statement of Qui-Gon's theme. as Obi-Wan walks away/departs for... wherever. Then, of course, he fails to turn Anakin. Then, they fight. :)
  24. Galahad_Skywalker Jedi Knight

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    It's the event that ties together both trilogies, and it seems that there are so many themes and cues that'll work perfectly with it. But the duel scene is going to be twelve or thirteen minutes, isn't it? This is plenty of time for Williams to incorporate a variety of themes, experiment with them, and set them against a brooding underscore that subconsciously sets the entire mood of this segment of the film. While moments without scoring would be very artistic for the sequence, I would love to pick up the RotS soundtrack on its release date and have the bonus of a nice ten or twelve minute 'Duel' track.
  25. DarthMJ Jedi Master

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    We will hear DOTF there - no doubt.
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