What was the point of Anakin Force Choking Padme?

What was the point of Anakin Force choking Padme? If the Force choke didn't kill Padme, why was it kept in? Couldn't have Anakin just Force Choked Obi Wan rather than Padme, while Padme escaped and the Duel started?

 

Self fulfilling prophecy? Destroying the very thing he was trying to save? To show just how far gone he was?

You could say that the Force choke did kill Padme. You could say that it was that final act of violence toward her that caused her to lose the will to live.

If Padme escapes unharmed and ends up dying just because Anakin did bad things that would be seriously weak, even weaker than it was.

I know you're a big fan of their relationship, but they needed to show just how far Anakin had fallen, that he would even hurt the one thing he was trying to save.

 

Yes, but for some people, the Force Choke didn't show how far gone he was---because of the Force Choke, Anakin is labelled a spouse abuser. And domestic abuse is an ongoing pattern of behavior, so when people call him abusive, that would mean that he was beating her, verbally abusing her, forcing her to quit her job, and stopping her from associating with her friends and other loved ones. I know he didn't do any of things, and it is bothersome if Vader Force Choking Padme once is enough evidence for people to believe that he was secretly abusing her.

 

Yeah...I guess I should. But one thing I wonder is why Anakin didn't notice how surprised Padme was. If he had noticed that, he would know that she wasn't on the "kill Anakin" plot.

 

I've never once heard anyone suggest that Anakin abused her before that scene.

Not all us "Anakin bashers" as people like to call fans who can see his flaws, like to call us, have to make things up to state what he did WAS abusive, whether he did it once, or a hundred times.

 

by that token it's unfair to call people "bashers" because they think what Anakin did was decidely uncool,

if someone killed my mother, I wouldn't be happy, granted, but I wouldn't go out slaughtering a whole race of people over it. Regardless of how mad I was, and I'm no saint either so don't want to come across as righteous.

Same thing if my wife peeved me off, I wouldn't even dream of laying a finger (or the force) on her,

 

That's a strawman. Although Anakin himself may have a certain "cool" (all those action figures don't lie), no-one, to the best of my knowledge, claims that all his actions are necessarily so.

1) Anakin didn't slaughter a race of people; he killed a village/tribe. I suppose it depends on how strict you feel like being with your definition of "race".

2) "Someone" didn't "kill" his mother. A group of nomads -- putatively, savages -- abducted and tortured her. And Anakin dreamt of his mother for weeks, feeling something was wrong.

3) Anakin was being kept in check by his service to an order of warrior-monks; passive-aggressive nutjobs to some. This circumstance alone created a torn psyche. In addition, while pursuing the girl of his dreams (literally), he got rebuffed. Dashed hopes.

4) The intimation Anakin had, and probably kept himself sane with, was the idea that he would go back and free his mother one day. Turns out someone else freed her; and she then wound up getting captured by a group of remote, animal-like, pillaging strangers.

In short, someone was going to pay for his frustrations and his incredulity at losing his mother -- and why wouldn't it be the very people who were responsible for bringing her life to an end?

That's very noble and reassuring 'n' everything, but you're not Anakin. Anakin went to the DARK SIDE of a mystical energy field for his love (well, ostensibly) -- and THAT was how she repaid him; by apparently bringing his former best friend and father figure to MURDER him?

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think some people really understand this story at all.

 

fair enough, I see your points

but it's wrong to say that Anakin WASN'T abusive, as some seem to suggest on these forums, which is mind boggling to say the least.

And the "only did it once" thing is no excuse either.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think some people really understand this story at all.

because my perception is different than yours?



classic stuff

 

well it's interesting you say that about one dimensional characters, from past posts you seem to suggest that Palpatine is just that, and as such don't like him.

 

Our point, for I agree with Sistros on Palpy, is that not everyone shares that perception.

 

The Force choke, like others have said, is meant to exemplify how far Anakin has fallen and how twisted he has become -- allowing lust for power to consume him and destroy his ability to control his anger. It's not just Padme either. Both R2 and Obi-Wan are used to demonstrate this fact.

Notice how the way he tells R2 to stay with the ship changes drastically from the beginning of ROTS to the end. In the Invisible Hand, he addresses R2 as a friend and even defends him as he tries to get the elevator working. By the time we've reached Mustafar, though, R2 is treated more like a tool, to the point that C3P0 even remarked (before) that Anakin was under a lot of stress, as though R2 was worried about his behavior.

As for Obi-Wan, we go from this:

[image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/nl/images/0/0f/Anakin_carrying_Obi.jpg]

to this:

[image=http://i43.tinypic.com/ffb7zr.png]

Strangely, no one ever suggests that Anakin has been abusing Obi-Wan though...

 

I think his character is that simple and was portrayed as such. Opinions vary.

 

uhmm how?


and no Palpatine is not a one dimensional character to me, just as Anakin isn't to you.

I could give you my reasons in a seperate thread if you want.

 

Something she would never want him to do. The actions he took to attempt to save her would be intolerable to Padme, those actions betrayed her love for him and their relationship.

This would make a lot of sense, if it was at all true.

I know, I know, point of view. Well, it's Anakin's fault he was an idiot, he wasn't thinking and didn't realize his point of view was inaccurate.

 

@ Anakinfansince1983: that still doesn't explain why that was a personal attack but ok, I was just being observational

I'll write a thread when I have a lot of time to make sense on the subject

 

The whole point was ti show how far Anakin had fallen, as people have pointed out

he was so filled with hatred and anger by this point

as he says himself,

Padme wasn't "with" him, so she was his enemy too...

 

Nobody said it was abusive before the choke. It's just that when you say he was abusive, I think that there would have to more than one instance of harm for Anakin's relationship with Padme to be abusive. So, you made it sound like you were saying he was abusive to her in general, even before he fell to the Dark Side.

Also, PiettsHat, you are right on target when you wondered why people didn't claim Anakin/Vader was abusing Obi Wan. I mean, he choked Obi Wan too---and worse yet, it was a physical choke. He slapped and threatened Obi Wan as well. Then poor R2D2 was dragged around against his will.