ST What's The Big Bummer in Episode 8?

I think you have to hand Rey some kind of moral defeat so that her inner self is threatened or confused (maybe Kylo defeats and almost kills her, maybe she has some reason to distrust or question Luke's methods), and you also have to have either Finn or Poe in real physical danger (captured etc) or even unknown whether one of them is alive or not. Those two things, plus the very apparent strength of Snoke and the sense that his grand plan is about to be revealed/initiated, will be enough to make the end of 8 dark indeed.

 

I'd picture Rey being captured at the end of VIII since TFA already left Finn in a grey area of "Will he be alright?" And Poe will most likely be wrapped up in the Resistance plot for VIII dealing with Dern's character.
Plus it would be nice to see Finn get a few more wins this time, and at least have somewhat of a happier ending than he did before.
As for DR's comments in the interview, for all we know she could lose an arm, have a horrific revelation impact her, and then end up in Snoke's custody by the end. We don't know.

 

Only thing is that in TFA, Rey was captured and Finn, Han and Chewie helped her escape. So 8 should probably have Finn captured and Rey needing to do the rescue. But maybe she fails? Idk, or clashes with Luke who tells her not to go after Finn...just like Yoda told Luke not to go to Cloud City.

 

Ah that's true. I guess what I meant was that it would be nice to see Finn shine a bit more than he did in TFA. Some people were disappointed by how his character was portrayed, and it would be cool for him to be more of a badass on his own for a bit and have more character development, along with some more personal wins.

 

Rey turns to the darkside and helps Ren kill Snoke. In episode 9 Luke needs Finn's help to bring her back.

 

The big bummer will be that tickets for the premiere weekend will sellout months in advance. And I won't be able to go.

 

After Luke's hesitation to take the lightsaber, Rey decides to throw it at him. Taken by surprise, Luke fumbles it and it falls down the cliff to the ocean and it's forever lost.

 

I think there will be some kind of shock or twist in the movie. It's something of a SW tradition.

 

Ren loses a hand. Rey learns of her parents and its hard on her.

 

I see something like:

- Rey learns her parents are dead and gone.
- Kylo turns Rey against Luke, using her anger over the fate of her family to convince her.
- VIII ends with Rey choosing to go with Kylo to Snoke, who promises answers/revenge for what happened to her parents.

Having Rey having taken that step towards the dark side would be a good shock cliffhanger to end on, without resorting to another kidnap plot (since, as others have pointed out, Rey was already kidnapped in TFA).

 

The Resistance thinks that they have the First Order defested. Cheers, fireworks.

But then "General Organa! A fleet has come out of Hyperspace. Ma'am it's huge."
Zoom in onto the main deck of a Super Star Destroyer. The commander is a familiar shade of blue. The Empire has returned from exile.

 

Yeah no to Rey going dark. That'd be a terrible idea, and I don't buy that she'd join Kylo, at all.

 

What if to the characters think she's gone completely darkside.

But in the final moments, we the viewer, are privy that she plans to kill Snoke and defeat the FO from the inside.

 

maybe as a trick or manipulation of Kylo. She realizes her mistake too late. I watched 'LOST' series lately and have a kind of 'Ben' from this series in mind with Kylo/Ben lying to manipulate her.

 

Snoke is Jar Jar's son.

 

yeah, but at the end of LOST, Ben was not the big bad anymore and there was a bigger bad 'Man in Black'. But Ben had done a lot of terrible things like killing Locke...so this may be the same problematic I may have with a possible redeemed Kylo/Ben in the ST

 

Because I don't buy her falling for it. No, not interested in it in any way. And the whole "the others think that she's gone bad, but not really" sounds n better, and I don't buy Snoke falling for that either. Also we've already got this idea with Ben, there's not reason to do it with her. And the idea that she resist it while Ben could not, is much more satisfying imo.

Also it'd just make Luke look incredibly incompetent. Like the worst Jedi Master ever. So of all of his students:

-One, his own nephew no less, goes dark.
-The others are slaughtered at the hands of said nephew, and Luke goes into self-imposed exile as a result.
-He now has a second chance, and presumably has had time to ponder whatever mistakes he may have made with Ben. And yet he STILL cannot stop another pupil from going dark. Wow, he really stinks at his job.

Basically, Rey goes dark, or one of the heroes (not just Rey, but any of them) ending the movie being captured as a cliffhanger are two scenarios that I don't want to see, period.

 

but what about a reversal and instead Kylo is captured by Luke and you don't know what he will do with him, since his intentions are not clear in 8? This would at least open up discussions for the next 2 years until IX is out.

 

Benicio Del Toro's is going to try to kill Kylo when he captures Luke. Luke will help defend Kylo and will help him get away some how.

 

One thing I don't want to see is Rey's parents being emotionally crippling. This is one of the theories I've seen some support for but I just don't get it. Aside from completely mirroring Luke's story and being a bit predictable, I like that Rey is an optimistic and energized character. I actually don't want to see her emotionally damaged and I don't think it's necessary for her to have serious character development. It's been made very clear how much her parents mean to her and while I'm certain it wont be the fairy tale reunion she's been dreaming of, I don't think it has to be a nightmare scenario like Luke and Vader either. I know a lot of people thought she had things too easy in TFA and I admit we need to see some form of struggle either physically or mentally but I don't think this is the way to do it. In fact I'd rather see the identity of her parents spur her on further to complete her quest rather than watch her become full of doubt about her friends and family.

I think it's somewhat inevitable that Kylo Ren or Snoke defeat her in a duel. It would certainly be anti climatic if she beats Kylo once in all three films so either Snoke becomes a more prominent villain or they have to give Kylo some development I feel by making him defeat Rey.

If someone has to die then my bet would be Poe. This is just me being over indulgent but I think it would be very dramatic if during the fight against Kylo Ren, Poe comes in to blast him with his X Wing and Kylo Ren stops the blasts mid air and then uses the force to take control of the ship and crash it. We could see Poe have a few last emotional lines with BB8 telling him to eject while he can and it would also make Kylo a much more credible villain. Not only this, it would also really push Finn forward to perhaps mature a bit more and to become the real badass he has all the potential to be. While Rey's somewhat naive optimism seems to give her the strength to move forward and achieve anything, I feel it works in reverse with Finn, holding him back and making him scared. We already saw him overcome his fear a lot in TFA but I think seeing Poe die would make him focus and mature a little bit. If you couple this with a great victory in combat then I think Finn will become a great hero to watch.

 

Finn just can't make the rent with self-employment and he has to re-apply with the first order to pay off his credit credit cards.

 

I mentioned this in another thread but here it is again;

Chewie goes down with his ship. Chewie sacrifices himself in the Falcon to safe Rey and Luke.

 

Hux dies.