What's the significance of the FIRST Galactic Empire?

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  1. Yoda_Soda Jedi Knight

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    If you really want to know your Sith history, pick up the new essential chronology. It's pretty much a history lesson of Star Wars.

    First off, KOTOR happens 3995 Before Battle of Yavin (BBY). The first republic existed about 25,000 BBY.

    An group of dark-siders first created an army of Frankenstein-like monsters and waged war during the "Hundred-Year Darkness." They were defeated and they fled beyond Republic borders to uncharted space where they discovered the Sith species. They grew powerful and became the "Sith Empire" (around 5000 BBY) Some stuff happens and basically they come back to the Republic that sparks "The Great Hyperspace War" They fight, the Sith lose.

    Then some dark spirits come back and teach Exar Kun the dark side and he becomes uber-powerful. He creates many converts and they start another Sith War.

    Then the Mandalorian Wars (3995 BBY) occur leading to KOTOR and the second Sith war. All ends well.

    2000 BBY, Some Jedi just break away from the council and decide to found a new order of the Sith. Lord Hoth's Army of Light fought a Brotherhood of Darkness. After the good guys win, a Darth Bane establishes a strict dictate that there can only be one master and one apprentice at any time. This way they could consolidate power until they were strong enough to re-emerge. 1000 BBY, a Chancellor Tarsus Valorum (not Finis Valorum, the one in TPM) make some reforms. Giving the Senate (and individual systems) more power, dismantling the army, and letting the Jedi Order become a judicial branch of government.

    Insert Star Wars movies here.


    Basically the "First Galactic Empire" probably means the first time the entire galaxy is together, with no wars. (Rebels did not count). And Ki-Adi Mundi was probably just referring to the war between the Army of Light and Brotherhood of Darkness. Maybe his dates were a bit off.
  2. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    The Sith are the natural enemy of the Jedi. As George Lucas describes it, "The Sith were once in control of the galaxy 1000 years in the past. Unfortunately, the Sith's hunger for conquest got the better of them-so many Sith lords were vying for ultimate control that it led to infighting among their ranks. Such internecine struggles were exploited by the Jedi Knights of the era, and they were able to turn the tide and defeat the Sith."

    As Ki-Adi-Mundi states in Episode I, the Sith have been extinct for a millenium; however, not all were wiped out. A surviving Sith Lord sought to rebuild the order, to retake the galaxy, and to take revenge. This Sith Lord realized the dangers of having too many in the order, so he kept his existence a secret. It would be a long time coming, but he carefully plotted revenge. There would be only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice, working in secret, planting the seeds for their eventual rise.

    --Star Wars Insider, issue 78; page 60

    "The Sith are the archenemies of the Jedi," George Lucas explained, "and for a long time, they ruled the universe until the Jedi came along and got rid of them. The Sith characters in the previous Star Wars films were Darth Vader and the other apprentices-Darth Maul from Episode I and Count Dooku, or Darth Tyrannus, from Episode II and the soon-to-be released Episode III. The evil master Sith in all of the films is Darth Sidious, who becomes Emperor of the universe."

    --George Lucas, Star Wars Insider, issue 78; page 80


    The Sith did have an Empire, but it was defeated by their infighting and the Jedi of that era. The eu expands it further and will continue to do so. As it stands, there was the Republic which had been around for 25,000 year. Then the Sith came and formed their Empire. One thousand years before the birth of Anakin Skywalker, the Sith were finally defeated by the Jedi/Republic forces and their own infighting. Since then, the Galactic Republic stood in it's place for one thousand years, until Palpatine changed everything. He declares it the first galactic Empire, because now all the worlds are united under a new banner.
  3. WitchKing66 Jedi Master

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    if i were lucas, i would have said there is a RUle of 3


    Sith Soldier: Maul and Vader
    Sith Lord: Tyrannus
    Sith Master: Sidious

    or i would have made Dooku a jedi gone bad in leauge with the Sith but not a Sith
    for somereason Lee's character doesnt sit with right as a Sith; in my book he cant be in the same league as Maul
  4. JediMasterKenobi07 Jedi Knight

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    So the question to me is Palpatine the best Sith ever? , because all Sith before fought to control the Republic a thousand years before Episode I , in which they all lost.

    May be a stupid question , just a thought.
  5. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Tatooine is part of the Empire-it has a regional governor; however, he is obviously overshadowed by the hutts.
  6. WitchKing66 Jedi Master

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    big difference between the collapse of the nazi empire and that the Galactic Empire

    third reich went out with all its military wiped out and their infamous fuhrer killed

    no such thing happened in the Galactic Empire; the emperor was killed but the machination of the empire was still there;


    Tell me when the emperor died, did stormtroopers on bepin and tatoinne suddenly started to die in the hunderds??? nay, my fellow chaps; this is not middle-earth; there is no Dark Lord feeding his hate through orcs and trolls; the fall emperor is political castastrophe, but not a military one

    and for those of u who love EU; u all know that there were over 20,000 star destroyers in the Empire (IMHO a ridicolos number); now all u have to do is math ==> 20,000 - 7 (fought and destroyed at endor) = 19,993;

    thats why i parts of the EU because in the movie,the idea is that there are few stardestroyers (~2,000 maximum); u cant have it both ways;

    either accept EU estimate of 20,000 stardestroyers (which is ridicolus), in which case makes the celeberation at the end ROTJ meaningless

    or accept the movie-vesion of events when there are far less stardestroyers, which makes the battle of endor a significant military victory
  7. theN00_Jedi Jedi Master

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    Why? It is supposed to be a large enough fleet to keep an entire galaxy under the thumb of the empire, there are more naval vessels than that on the planet earth, and we're not even a galaxy
  8. WitchKing66 Jedi Master

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    than the rebel victory at the end of ROTS is militarly insignificant, since stromtroopers simply dont dissolve b/c their emperor had met his doom.

    i agree "It is supposed to be a large enough fleet to keep an entire galaxy under the thumb of the empire", but in the context of the movie for me atleast doesnt make since

    anyways
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