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Whats with his face?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Yoda_Soda, Jan 29, 2003.

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  1. Yoda_Soda

    Yoda_Soda Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Whats up with the Emperor's face in ESB? During the hologram transmission with Vader at the asteroid field, his face looks very strange. Not the same as it did in ROTJ.

    It looks as if he's wearing goggles or something. Anyone know anything about this?

    One more thing, awwww man i don't remember now. Great.
     
  2. Daughter_Of_TheForce

    Daughter_Of_TheForce Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Emperor in ROTJ is all Ian McDiarmid in old age make-up. The Emperor's face in ESB is a composite of different parts plus the voice of Clive Revill.
     
  3. merlin

    merlin Jedi Master star 4

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    [color=663300]Was it even Ian Mcwhatever?[/color]
     
  4. starwarssisterleia

    starwarssisterleia Jedi Youngling star 2

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    parts pf Ian. ewwwwwwwww!
     
  5. Tropical_Plumber

    Tropical_Plumber Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I believe the eyes of Palpatine in ESB are those of an oranutan. No joke.
     
  6. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    The Emperor's hologram is a woman's face with chimpanzee eyes composited on.
     
  7. Obi-Ewan

    Obi-Ewan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That is correct. And the face is actually a woman.
     
  8. sergejg

    sergejg Jedi Youngling star 3

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    shouldn't GL have fixed this on the SE?

    I mean it totally breaks the continuity. Well he is an expert for that.
     
  9. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    " I mean it totally breaks the continuity."

    Not at all. The hologram was sent during the time when the Empire had cable. Later on, they upgraded to DirectTv. :D
     
  10. Obi-Ewan

    Obi-Ewan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No, that is not a break in continuity. That's a misuse of the term. If that's a break in continuity, so is having both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor play Obi-Wan.
     
  11. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I actually kinda like the effect. It really foreshadows for the audience. It would be interesting to see the effect on people who watch the saga in episodic order, when they see Palps and think "Damn, what happened to him!?"

    Of course, realistically, Palps wouldn't be trying to show his "spooky" face to Vader in his private quarters, but considering that he keeps Vader on a short leash, and the hologram is huge and 10 feet over Vader's head, it would make sense to attribute this image as fulfilling Palp's need to be grandiose and threatening in front of his apprentice.

    Either way, keep it. (You hear that, Lucas? Keep it!!!)
     
  12. dArTh_wenley

    dArTh_wenley Jedi Knight star 5

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    That was before the plastic surgeons got onto him... and even then they couldn't make that much of an improvement. :p

    StarWars.com has the following to say:

    The Emperor first appeared on film in The Empire Strikes Back. He was played by an old woman wearing prosthetic makeup, with chimpanzee eyes superimposed in post-production into darkened eye sockets in order to create a truly unsettling image. Palpatine's voice was provided by Clive Revill for Empire. For Jedi and all subsequent films, Palpatine was played by actor Ian McDiarmid.

    :)
     
  13. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    That could be Palpatine's "public" image, somewhat similar to the end of The Wizard Of Oz.
     
  14. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Not like his "private" image is much better. ;)
     
  15. RKMeibalane

    RKMeibalane Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I think Palpatine/Sidious would have been better off had his face remained hidden underneath that hood. I was looking at a photograph of Sidious, and I think his character is more interesting if he appears as a mysterious Sith Lord, rather than the Emperor.
     
  16. Master Salty

    Master Salty Jedi Knight star 6

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    Hopefully, that crap will be fixed when the DVD's are released.
     
  17. D_Lowe

    D_Lowe Jedi Knight star 6

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    Different actor!
     
  18. betelgeuse

    betelgeuse Jedi Youngling star 1

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    yeah, it's an old Indian woman with Chimp eyes layered on in post production. I think it's a bit creepy, i don't mind it. I don't mind the way it is, but if they had just kept the eyes in shadow instead of using chimp eyes, it would've been fine. Originally, Alec Guinnes was supposed to play both Kenobi and the Emperor.
     
  19. Oakessteve

    Oakessteve Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think there might be a legal reason why they can't change the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back, but I don't know if it's true or not. Can anybody enlighten me?
     
  20. Tropical_Plumber

    Tropical_Plumber Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Originally, Alec Guinnes was supposed to play both Kenobi and the Emperor.

    Where does that information come from? I've never heard it in my life.
     
  21. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "there might be a legal reason why they can't change the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back"

    If that were the case, we wouldn't have the SE's, would we? ;)
     
  22. DarthWeenie

    DarthWeenie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes we would, because it wasnt changed in the SEs, was it?
     
  23. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The point being... Lucas is free to make any changes that he sees fit to make. Why should the monkey-face be the sole exclusion?

    (It would be nice if people would read for intent, rather than word-for-word.)
     
  24. La_Capitan

    La_Capitan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I like the Emperor in ESB. He's (she's)creepy, he's scary, he's got chimp eyes. They should have used the old chimpy woman in Return of the Jedi.
     
  25. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Or the six-breasted chick!!! [face_laugh]

    "Chicks don't have six breasts---do they?" ;)
    __________

    Chick-"Give in to your anger. Strike him down and take his place by my side, and milk me like the bad farm boy that you are!"

    Luke-"But I worked with moisture evaporators!"

    Chick-"Then you shall die, young Jedi!"
    [Smothers him]

    Luke-"hmmmphf"



    (Sorry....)
     
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