when did vader turn?

i think it was on the bridge on endor just after luke was brought to vader. him and luke has a conversation and just after the stormies arrested luke and broght him to the emporer you see vader giving a look of like "oh what have i done?" i think that is when anakin emerged and vader really thought that like was going to die!!

 

Clearly it is when Palpatine is zapping Luke to death.

 

Ya I agree with you. He couldn't bare to see his son die so he destroyed the Empire and saved Luke's life.

 

I think his true path back to the light side begun when they met on Endor. But when he truely became a jedi again was when he fufilled the prophacy and kill Palpatine.

 

I don't really know what to think.

 

Ya your right.But I still don't know who do beleve.

 

Since Endor, he had been thinking about it. That was the conflict that Luke felt inside of him. When Luke was being attacked by Palpatine, Vader made the final decision to cast away the Dark Side. At that moment, the soul of the good and decent young man who was Anakin Skywalker returned in one last act of heroism: sacraficing himself for his son. At that moment, he lived up to his status as "The Hero With No Fear". He did not fear death and he did not fear losing his power and his Empire. All he cared about and thought about at that moment was his son's safety.

 

it could have been a semi-slow turn like Anakin turned to Vader. May have started when Vader realized Luke was his son somewhere between eps 4 and 5.

 

I should point my friend in the direction of this thread... that would be fun...

Yes, I think I shall...

 

I think he began to turn at the end of Empire Strikes Back. When he walks away from the bridge the hem of his cape looks grey, instead of black. Of course, I think this is intentional. I think the seeds were planted during the duel in Empire though.

 

Vader turns when he moves his hips, or when his feet turn.

 

LOL, Indy, you just like to watch me rant.

If one includes the events of Ep III, in my mind, I don't think he turned back at all. He just stuck with his original personality flaw of being willing to destroy anything or anyone for the person he loves. The only person he has left is Luke so he saves him.
I think he recognises after Padme dies that Palpatine is using him as a tool and is only loyal because there isn't anything left for him. When he discovers he has a son who loves him despite what he is, that loyalty is transferred to Luke and he kills the Emperor. I think it could have been anyone who threatened Luke and they would have ended up the same.
Hence the reason I choose to pretend Ep III never happened, then I can watch ROTJ with my happy ending in place.

 

Once he lopped off luke's hand and luke took the plunge in ESB.

 

yeah. earliest starting point of the process of slowly turning back to the light: Late ESB

final point of really being light again: Watching Luke fry - clearly he was stil rather evil with his "We'll turn your sister" speech

 

He turned when luke grasped his lighsaber in palpitines room. i think this because he knew he would have to fight luke again, and he knew he might have to fight Palitine.

 

He didn't.
He died as Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith.

 

nuh-uh!!
Darth Vader died the moment before Anakin picked up the Emperor

 

Yeah , no doubt!

 

I dunno...

 

I don't know about the cape part but I am thinking the same. I think Vader's meeting with Luke in ESB screwed his head up, simply saying. In ROTJ, when Palpatine says "And now I sense you are continuing your search for you Skywalker." Vader pauses and almost changes his tone and responds "Yes, my Master." Then in his meeting with Palpatine informing him that his son has landed on Endor, Palpatine says "Strange that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader." You can take that a lot of ways, but I think that was a blantent statement of Vader's conflict. And on top of that, with Vader's meeting with Luke (which I think is so much more powerful since the PT came out), Luke can feel his conflict then. And Luke could feel the good in him even before he turned himself in. Like Luke said "That's why I have to go." It was a slow build up that reached it's climax when Palpatine was about to kill Luke. He was on the path back to the good side well before he decided to throw the Emperor down the shaft.

 

Well said, I agree with that. I think thae last time we see a 100% Vader was in TESB, after that Anakin starts to reemerge and the conflict starts up again.

 

When luke first saw vader fight Obi-Wan, Vader might have started to turn.

 

I'm thinking maybe when he doesn't kill Piett at the end of Empire, instead stalking off in a huff. Confronting his son has stirred sopmething in the Sith Lord's soul, something good and decent.

Anakin has begun to awaken, methinks.

 

I think birth of the Vader turn was the first time he met Luke. I always thought that Vader would of seen and sensed some of Padm'e in his son. Which would naturally stir up old memories and open old wounds. Then seeing his son being slowly killed by Palpatine in the Throne Room and the thought of losing his son, his only living connection to the woman he loves turned him fully!

Ironically it was love that turned him to the Darkside and love that turned him back again! In my opinion anyways.