Lit When do we get a book about Palpatine training Vergere?

This would be great, a book about the brief period of time when Palpatine as Darth Sidious encountered and trained Vergere while she was still a Jedi Knight, then she tries to kill him and flees, he puts Kinman Doriana and Sate Pestage and other agents on her trail and she goes off to Zonama Sekot, finds out about the Yuuzhan Vong, possibly contacts Darth Sidious with the heads up and is taken by them, her Sith Apprentice infiltration of them begins.

Such a story could span her early years and go into her time with them, then show her with Lumiya and later on, it has a lot of potential as a story too, Palpatine from the Clone Wars series and other books seems like enough of a jackass to reveal his true nature to Vergere too early, then gets rejected and dismissed by her, cant take her blowing him off and fleeing and tries to have her killed, fails at this and has to find another way to get rid of her, enter sending her on a mission to Zonama Sekot where she will be killed, only she uncovers things and remains useful, but wisely takes off with the Vong.

Vergere seems to be the perfect midway point between the Jedi and Sith, someone who is dark but also noble, she remains an enigma, but is able to communicate with Jacen Solo after her death, unlike most dark side users who go to the abyss, which implies that Vergere was not entirely evil, or learned some of the old Sith ways that allowed dark side users to become ghosts and not go to the dark side hell, the madness beyond death that Palpatine feared, the Korriban Sith Lord's seem to be happy in a state of bliss and remain connected to their tombs, maybe Vergere learned how to anchor herself like that too.

 

I want a book about the two years Vergere spent dodging Palpatine's assassins while refusing to inform the Jedi Council about his identity as Darth Sidious.

 

As Vergere being a Sith is still one of the less bright ideas, lets pass on this.

 

I forget about how much I like/despise Vergere.

 

In that case, they should establish that Vergere is NOT a Sith.

 

Right after we get TFU 3.

 

Hopefully never. That way I can keep writing off the idea that Vergere was a Sith as a tool used by Lumiya to turn Jacen.

 

I preferred Vergere as a trickster who has been both jedi and sith, but at the same time is really somewhere in the middle of the two.

 

Doesn't explain the same idea being presented in the Legacy comics.

 

Vergere ain't no Sith.

 

Just don't touch on it. An another Fosh character would be fun. They look cool.

 

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Vergere is no Sith.. she is a Jedi who liked the Potentium as we know but went beyond even that. Because of the Potentiums believe of there not being a dark side per se, she believed it to be harmless to test Sithlore. Sure she stole some secrets of Palpatine, but she hardly was an apprentice for longer than a few moments they met and talked. He was too busy with other stuff all the time and probably dumped her with some holocron to learn. Thus when she learned too much and did not proof loyality through dark acts, she escaped and he had her hunted down. As a heretic herself she did not tell the council.. they'd not believe her about Palpatine pre-TPM and the Sith reemergence. And after that, they'd listen maybe, but she is too busy to evade capture to risk returning or sending messages that Palpatine sure could have intercepted. Thus no way to tell anybody in time before she was gone with the Vong.Out of all her experience with Jedi, Sith and Potentium she crafted her own view and was truly in the middle.

Legacy comics have Vergere not being a Sith.. merely claiming to be one. Krayt's pov is unreliable since she plays games with him and everything she tells is a lie anyway Lumiya too bought her lies when they worked together during the NJO, and sadly Lumiya got Jacen with her own lies and those she believed of Vergere.. that was never the plan though. And it only worked because of Jacen was so involved with many Force cultures from his sojourn that he had already lost Vergeres true teachings before Dark Nest in the mass of philosophies he'd encountered over time.

 

ps: and while we are on it... Jacen Solo was right and saved all in the end... turned back to the light/grey in the end. even if some still doubt it. I'd worry more for Jaina.. she is a killer, assassin... pure darksider hiding in Jedi clothes! not even in tune with the force or else she'd listened to it when Jacen turned back to the light and stopped.

 

I wouldn't conflate Vergere with the Potentium, considering she dismisses it in Destiny's Way.

 

true she does when older, but when younger she was influenced by it and her master who followed it too. not saying she was a believer.. but she had a fling and learned from it..

besides.. Destiney's Way Vergere differs from Traitor Vergere sadly already a lot

 

In what sense do you think her depiction differs between novels?

 

we had thousands of pages of discussion about this years ago... her philosophy is off from her Traitor philosophy. but not as much as in Dark Nest or later on. some thought that is because she talks to Luke who is less accepting here than Jacen had been and thus she has to word more careful to not make him misunderstand.. or she tried to lead him step by step to her truth instead of revealing all asap.. thus the difference. first open the door. .then push him through. not push him through with the door closed with enough force kinda

 

Based upon what I've read here, the primary source of belief that there is a difference in Vergere's philosophy is the reading that Vergere is, through Socratic method and questioning of Jacen's ethics, advocating a particular viewpoint, and that in her subsequent conversation with Luke Skywalker she is advocating a different ethical system entirely with regard to self-knowledge of one's passions. I think this comparison is over simplifying things substantially and in more ways than one, as I don't think Vergere is trying to influence Jacen's ethics at all and says as much.

 

Vergere didn't have anything to do with the Potentium, nor did Thracia Cho Leem. Vergere's only encounter with the Potentium was when she met the Zonamans who believed in it, and she shows no sign of being impressed with their thinking.

 

Including when she's talking about the Force?

 

"See, the thing is, everything everyone tells you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."

 

Turning Jacen into a Sith through Vergere was a very bad choice. I find the thought behind it utterly despicable: Moral relativism = bad; it's either stand with the Jedi or burn in the lake of fire and brimstone.

So, I doubt any future novel would set the record straight. I'd buy it if it was written, but if Vergere pops up again, she's more likely to be tying hapless damsels to train tracks while twirling her mustache than expounding the truth of the Force as completely neutral.