Full Series Where do you rate The Clone Wars in the Saga?

As Gibbs would say: "Boom."

 

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If you don't know Gibbs, uhm... that probably wasn't very funny.

 

Same for me.

 

TESB
SW
ROTS
TCW
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

The final hour of ROTJ still reigns supreme but the Ewoks and most of the original actors (seemingly) going through the motions brings it down for me. I just don't think it measures up to Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back.

Some of the EU including most of the stuff after ROTJ doesn't count for me.

 

And me.
This works too:
all other SW works>TCW

 

And me.

 

And for me at least, there's a pretty big space between TPM and TCW in that order. Something like:
TESB>SW>ROTS>ROTJ>AOTC>TPM>..................TCW. I like some parts of both the TCW movie and the TCW TV show, but to even consider putting either one of them on the same level as any of the six Episodes of the Saga just seems crazy to me.

 

^ Exactly, same here.

 

The movies
TCW
Select EU
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Everything else

 

This is a tough one for sure...

The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Clone Wars
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace

 

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. A New Hope
5. Expanded Universe
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Clone Wars
8. The Clone Wars
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Everything else: Droids, Ewoks, both Ewok movies, Holiday Special

 

Yeah agreed.

 

TBH, I find it sad that some people here rate TCW better than AotC, RotJ or TPM. I feel they're missing out when they can't appreciate the saga fully.

 

I don't really rate the films with TCW since it is unfair imo. TCW is EU pretty much, although TCW isn't friendly toward it.

 

Well it's clumsy to compare hours upon hours of a TV show as a singular entity against a couple hour film, since I can cherry pick my favorite parts of that TV show and compare it against the films. I can't really combine my feelings of all the episodes into one average to compare against the films. The show isn't telling a single comprehensive story.

I love ANH and ESB. While I like ROTS a little less, it still has the most re-watch value for me.

ROTJ is mixed for me. It has some of the best scenes of the saga, but a lot of the stuff that takes place on Endor's surface just puts me to sleep anymore. Though I LOVE the space battle (not wild about the plot involving the Death Star being rebuilt though), and I love the Throne Room scenes and Jabba's Palace.

TPM is just OK to me. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. It manages to make me feel a little nostalgic for 1999 and the anticipation of the film, and it manages to capture that classic Star Wars adventure feel for me better than the other two prequels, though there are still things that severely weigh it down.

AOTC is the only film that I really don't like. I have more fun talking about it and the plot points than I do actually watching it. I think it was more an error in execution more than anything. I can talk about the plot and find that all interesting. But I have a hard time getting through it all in a single viewing.

I can't really rate TCW against all of these. Though my feelings about it are closest to TPM. I do enjoy it well enough, but I don't absolutely love it (as a whole). When looking at any individual episode however, my feelings range from embarrassment of watching the show (e.g. Nomad Droids) to thorough enjoyment.

 

Interesting results. Some people seem to like TCW very much, placing it well into their list. Others have put it right at the bottom.

Since this was my exact list, I'll reply. I LOVE the saga. I mean when you think Star Wars, it's the saga that comes into your mind. This is a pure rating of quality. I have more enjoyment watching TCW than I do those three films (especially TPM).

I think some hardcore Star Wars fans (basically the whole of LACWAC ) have placed the films on this insurmountable pedestal. That they'll never be beaten. I, myself, don't think any Star Wars will ever beat the original two films. They're pretty much perfection from what I want in a film.

But I also think that's unfair to all future Star Wars material. I think I like TCW so much due to just how much it feels like the films. The Clone Wars movie was terrible. Clone Wars was way too over-the-top. The Ewok movies were aimed for a very low age group. The Ewoks and Droids series were good back in the day, but rewatching them now reveals just how bad they were (for an adult). I won't even mention The Holiday Special.

TCW is the only visual media that I can even compare to the films. I absolutely love some of the novels but it's a different experience to watching something.

My point is - I don't under-appreciate the films. I just appreciate TCW a lot, considering the rest of the stuff I've seen.

 

I don't know many people who put the prequels on an insurmountable pedestal.

 

What makes TCW so bad? And do you place the other visual media above it (Ewoks, Droids, Clone Wars)?

 

Video games are also visual media. I would place KOTOR, KOTOR II, Republic Commando, and Jedi Outcast far above it. And even TFU.

 

I love the two KOTOR games. Yes, I'd put them above TCW. Wasn't into shooters when RC released so never played it. I liked the Jedi Knight/Outcast series. I really enjoyed the original Force Unleashed but my memory has been tarnished by it's horrific sequel.

I guess I just don't compare passive media such as films with "active" media such as video games.

 

The reason why I rate TCW so poorly is because it is a kids show that didn't interest me in the first place, and its redoing the Clone Wars timeline I love for absolutely complete and totally no reason whatsoever. And by redoing the Clone Wars timeline, I mean the Clone Wars multimedia project from 2002 to 2005 and its derivatives create a cohesive picture of what happened between AotC and RotS, but TCW is basically ignoring the Clone Wars multimedia project and its derivatives in favor of its own story.

 

It does, and I would agree that it is difficult to directly compare TCW to any other piece of the Star Wars saga.

The continuity issues, I am undecided on. I used to be a big fan of Marvel comics when I was younger, and they retcon their universes every year or so. There's about 7 origins for each character, so I have a higher threshold than most when it comes to continuity clashes.

I advocate the two separate continuities the most, I think. Have Lucas' saga, and then have the wider EU. I think we're almost at that point, even if it's not been stated.

I think just that fact would mar your views on the show, but the writing is bad in some places, even I can recognize that. I guess we'll be able to compare it when the Live-Action TV series finally airs.

Thanks for showing me your point of view. It's interesting to see someone have an almost opposite opinion and see it's just as justified as your own.