Lit Where the **** did the Noghri go?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by THE EVIL CLIFFIE, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. THE EVIL CLIFFIE Force Ghost

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    Seriously, what? Cakhmaim and Meewalh die in Tempest and then the Noghri do absolutely nothing to send another pair of bodyguards to protect their beloved Lady Vader? With no explanation? That's really weird.

    Although I find the idea that the constant attrition of Leia's guards has dropped the Noghri population below sustainable levels morbidly amusing.
  2. JackG Force Ghost

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    Troy Denning didn't like them, so he killed them.
    Can another author do the same for Saba, please?
  3. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    The Jedi Academy Sourcebook for WEG says that Leia gave up the Noghri bodyguards fairly quickly.

    Why?

    One of them beat the crap out of a Senator who raised his voice threateningly at her during a meeting.
  4. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    hahahah, that's actually not bad. Kinda funny, actually. I dig that one.
  5. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    Leia evidently picked them back up when she retired, courtesy of Zahn having final word on Bantam. Which continued through the NJO, until Denning killed them in Dark Nest.

    You would think the Nogrhi would be keen on protecting Allana, either as daughter of Jacen (which is such a big secret that Jacen had to keep it a secret before she was born) or as the adopted daughter of Lady Vader.
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  6. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    It's been a while since I read them, but I'm guessing that KJA inexplicably had Leia Noghri-less and WEG had to think of something to justify their absence.
  7. Nobody145 Force Ghost

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    Funny, I thought I remember some Noghri in Planet of Twilight, even though they were only there to be killed by the "mysterious threat", the Death Seed Plague.

    They were handy for backup during the NJO, and I think I remember they still had some Noghri bodyguards up until Tempest, as when Jacen's Star Destroyer is firing on them, I think I remember them mentioning that one shot had gone straight through, taking out both turrets and killing the Noghri. I think they barely had time to acknowledge it before jumping to hyperspace though. And that's the last we hear of Noghri bodyguards I think. We haven't seen them since probably because the authors aren't interested in adding more characters, even as expendable redshirts.

    That and Han and Leia have been on the run half the time since then, and a good deal of the time its basically come down to Luke, Ben, Han and Leia doing something while everybody else stands around. It might be nice to see more added, but considering the average quality of most post-NJO novels, or at least the ones with Han and Leia in them, with the exception of Millennium Falcon, that's not likely.
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  8. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    That annoyed me. Also what happened to Lowie and Lumpy?
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  9. LightsaberAccident Jedi Master

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    Lowie was in Apocalypse as part of the Jedi's mission to find out more about Insane Marshmellow Queen from the Killiks. Dunno about the latter.
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  10. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    That's easy. Lumpy isn't at the Jedi temple, ergo not on screen.
  11. LightsaberAccident Jedi Master

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    You can only hire so many actors for a book. The author budgeted wisely in this case.

    Wait
  12. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    Look, we're asking a lot of Denning just by having Han in the stories, so we should feel fortunate and not ask questions about non-Jedi characters like Lumpy.
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  13. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    You should be asking what happened to Itchy and his 'mind evaporator'.
  14. Shadow Trooper Jedi Grand Master

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    Or Jag for that matter.Thankfully Denning dealt with that problem by having Jag go from head of state in Invincible to do nothing stay at the Jedi temple dude by the start of Crucible. Cause according to Denning Jaina marrying an Imperial head of state=gone from the story, unless poor Jag gives up his political career.
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  15. Ordo N-11 Jedi Master

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    Lumpy was ignored, because (according to Denning) Han is the only competent non-Jedi person in the galaxy. If anyone, who isn't a Jedi, seems competent, intelligent or not corrupt, Denning either kills offscreen (like Luewet Wuul), makes them into total Doofuses (like every other person in the GA), or does something horrible to them (like he did to the Mandalorians)
  16. The Compeer Jedi Grand Master

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    You know, I thought one of the more unintentionally revealing bits of Crucible was the snippet where it's explained that Han is, in fact, just like a Jedi, it's just that he draws upon luck instead of the Force. That at least explains why Denning's okay with using Han; he just pretends it's another Jedi who just happens to not have a lightsaber, and since his Jedi all use blasters already, that's the only major distinction. I'm suddenly not eager to look into his Forgotten Realms stuff; if it were anything like his Star Wars books, every character would be a CoDzilla, and that's doubly tedious since those are even more invincible than Jedi. Denning being a munchkin with a word processor does explain a lot, though.
  17. LightsaberAccident Jedi Master

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    Han's luckichlorian count was approximately 5e17 ppm by the end of FOTJ, which is not only over the legal interstellar limit, but also grotesque enough to disrupt mass-energy equivalence. Han Solo has a greater impact on the galaxy than his size would suggest.
  18. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    Actually, the whole thing with Han came from Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina.
  19. Havac Former Moderator

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    The Noghri have always been in and out. It's the problem of adding something significant to the setup of the universe. Half the authors won't remember it, or won't want to have to account for it, and half of them will want to stay true to it or will find it useful.

    And that's just stuff you add to the setup at the very beginning of the EU. Add it later, and it's got almost no chance of surviving.

    So most authors are going to find writing lurking uber-ninja bodyguards into the background of every scene with Leia, and consequently into the action sequences and even the premises of the action sequences and storytelling, enormously burdensome. And that's just the ones who realize they "should" be there. Consequently, they disappear often. It's the inverse of the problem of introducing anything rare: if it's cool, it doesn't matter how rare you say it is; it will soon be everywhere.
  20. THE EVIL CLIFFIE Force Ghost

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    Oh, I understand that; what bothers me is we got no explanation. The Noghri's honour code not letting them fight a descendant of Vader, or Leia dismissing them because they're dying too fast and she doesn't want to be responsible for that make sense. But as it is, they just disappear for no apparent reason.
  21. Bib Fartuna Jedi Grand Master

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    That comment is awesome. A real life example is Facebook. Years ago, it was cool, because only a few 'online' people had it. Now it is mainstream. Hence, account deleted. Same with twitter I suppose, however, I never joined that bandwagon. Strange that my 72 year old Dad, did.
  22. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    Looking at the MF Owner's guide, how did a turbolaser bolt take out both turrets while leaving the main reactor powering the ship intact and functioning?
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  23. Bib Fartuna Jedi Grand Master

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    UPS and battery backup? ;)
  24. Nobody145 Force Ghost

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    I have no idea, I just remember reading that in the book. You'd think a hole of that size would destroy the ship outright, but guess the Falcon is just that tough. Checking Wookieepedia, it mentions that damage too, that a turbolaser shot took out both turrets and the Noghri gunners. Although Wookieepedia isn't always accurate, and according to Wookieepedia it was a single shot, while I have the impression that Jacen had dedicated a long-range turbolaser to blowing up the Falcon, as he thought they had tried to kill Tenel Ka (showing what a great judge of character he was). I think the stupidity was that Jacen was really angry at his parents for what looked like an assassination attempt on Tenel Ka, so even while going into battle, he still had a long-range turbolaser battery assigned to blowing up the Falcon, so they were under fire for a while, though my memory isn't the greatest. Anyway have a copy of Tempest? I might have bought some of the paperback portions of LotF, but threw them away long ago.
  25. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Do not... underestimate the powers of the Denning, or suffer the Noghri's fate you will. [face_skull]:p

    --Adm. Nick