Lit Wherefore art thou Darth? (New Canon Edition) (TFA SPOILERS)

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So it seems like the Rule of Two is very, very, very old, and very integral to the Sith way of thinking. That said, it seems obvious that this Jedi battlefield wasn't just Jedi fighting two Sith, so I wonder if we're not in familiar territory, here, with Darths taking an apprentice, and lots of other Sith trying to be Darths? Or maybe the rule of two didn't preclude the Sith from always having an army, that even after Darth Bane the Jedi were fighting Rule-of-Two Sith leading vast armies, which hadn't yet retreated to the shadows?

 

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Maybe that the Sith of old worked like the Jedi of more recent years : one apprentice per confirmed Sith, no more no less. Maybe only one apprentice in all of a Sith's lifetime?

 

As many apprentices as you have to train before one of them kills you, probably.

 

Do they really have to apply the Rule of Two to lifts?

 

I really felt three could have fit on that lift. Sure, it would be crapped and awkward, but they could have made it work.

Rule of Two debunked...for EVERYTHING!

Better yet, they should have used a saber-copter.

 

They do if it's integral to Sithery in this new canon? It's not just any lift, after all - it's meant to keep certain people out.

 

I don't think the lifts are meant to keep people out though as the Inquisitors can just use their saber-copters (still can't believe this a thing...) to fly up there or any people with a jetpack for that matter. It could also be possible

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that Maul was exaggerating the whole thing so that he can have some alone time with Ezra.

In any case, Rule of Two for entering lifts is just overkill to me lol.

 

It's called the Rule of Two, not the Suggestion of Two.

 

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So, the Presence. Who was she? And I don't just mean in terms of identity: where was the voice coming from? The holocron, a spirit, some kind of AI for the temple/weapon?

Also, I think that's our first canon female Sith Lord.

 

Temple seemed pretty destroyed, and Filoni doesn't want to revisit it, so as to keep Ahsoka out of Rebels without confirming her dead. But jusging by his interview he still intends to put a name to the Presence. So it's gotta be the holocron.

 

It's clear the Temple was explicitly designed to be accessed by Masters/Apprentices.

 

I'm increasingly enamoured with the idea that the Sith have operated in exclusively in dynamic duos for their entire history . . . with the answer to "Wherefore art thou Darth?" being that each duo is a "school" unto itself, bearing the name of the founding master from which they claim descent.

The strongest duo become the Dark Lords of the Sith and command the others.

And Bane decides that jostling for primacy over the other duos is a waste of time, realises that the RoT can be taken even further, and outright destroys them.

This won't be the case, of course, so I'm irritated that I like it so much.

 

I wonder if Bane foresaw that basically every single Lord of the Sith would have a drastically different view of how to Get Things Done. Something I really liked about Luceno's Darth Plagueis is essentially that Plagueis' flaw was that he didn't want enough power and that he liked and trusted his apprentice enough to celebrate with him.

 

Cross-posting from the Rebels thread:

I like this idea, but I'm inclined to think that the ruins on Malachor and Koraband do point to there once having been a more open period of Sith rule - though how far that goes is unclear.

 

Yeah, you're not wrong. Though there's the question of just how long ago we're talking, too. I don't think it's unreasonable for the Sith to be largely unknown outside of history buffs if their period of open rule was, say, pre-Republic. But if we're talking about an open and recurring threat to the Republic, then it's all a bit silly.

 

There's also the possibility that few people were aware of the location of planets like Moraband and Malachor.

 

Yeah, I mean, on a galactic scale they could be the Sith equivalent of Freemasonry lodges.

 

We know from Servants of the Empire that the Order of the Terrible Glare is canon. Maybe the Sith ruled through the Pius Dea at some point?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Terrible_Glare

 

I love the Rule of Two, it makes the sith total bad ***es to have survived so long with only two of them.

Though it seems strange that it was so much older then we initially thought, I really want a film or comic set during the Sith war to explain this.

I feel the rule of two had been diluted quiet a bit recently though, with all these dark side red shirts or sithinallbutname as I call them, I'm just not fond of how its been treated,

 

Perhaps the Rule of Two referred to something else, like how many Sith apprentices a Sith could take, but not the sum total of all the Sith. Or perhaps, Maul is mistaken, applying his Banite knowledge where it doesn't apply. He never did get the Holocron, so nothing says he would know the truth.

 

Darth Allen revolutionized the Sith to-do list.

 

This new Darth Maul issue is

 

The new Darth Vader comic has a bunch of juiciness in it. I'm particularly intrigued by:

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• The notion that Sith lightsaber crystals are, as a matter of course, stolen from Jedi.
• The fact that Palpatine tells Vader they will rule "as one," which seems...new, for the Sith, at least in our current understanding of them.