white lightsaber

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  1. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    the first two were okay, but i totally love the flame saber! way to go! awesome! (maybe it'll be the new bad guy saber, eh) :) id like to see a short (life 5 seconds or so) fx test of one 0of those bayby's fighting
  2. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    http://starwars.com/img/homepages/anakin2/anakin2_body4.jpg

    you can reload the os enough times until you see the whole picture, or you can just go that url and see the bottom part with the lightsaber. it's annikans and it looks white
  3. Macho Jedi Master

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    ryan try making your black light saber with a lighter core. who cares if it don't look excatly like a black light
  4. Neszis Jedi Master

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    I'm pretty sure ALAMdv has a black sabre option. I'm not sure, it looked kind of dumb to me, but one was black core w/ purple glow and one was purple core w/ black glow.

    ~Neszis~
  5. Arkalius Jedi Knight

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    What is that white lightsaber picture from? I know for a fact that the first time a lightsaber is turned on (by Luke in ANH), it's a light blue. I don't recall every seeing anything like that in any of the SW movies.
  6. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    its one of the new backgrounds on the official site, reload enough times until you get to the anakin background. go to the bottom of the picture and you'll see his saber is white. i just posted the part of the pic with the white saber
  7. KaaShamau Jedi Master

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  8. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    also odd, count dooku has a purple saber... supposed to be red it is
    (as yoda would say)
  9. Dezion-Karr Jedi Knight

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    About Dooku's ~ isn't he on a blue background? Wouldn't a red saber show up purple over a blue? Just a thought.

    ~DK~
  10. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    ahh yes, and as in most cases, the newbie w/ the homer simpson icon is wrong
  11. Ryan_W VIP

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    The saber colors are off because the entire image had it's hue balanced. In the Dooku shot it was tipped toward blue. Red + Blue = Purple.

    Similar weirdness is happening with Anakin and Obi-Wan in those picts.
  12. Riskbreaker Jedi Padawan

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    I just saw Ryan's flamesaber and i wanted to see what it would look like so i did a little video test real quick. Hope you dont mind me doing this Ryan.

    Here it is
  13. Ryan_W VIP

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    Hmm. The red part isn't very noticeable...
    But this style is still a work in progress. :)

    The distortion is an interesting touch...
  14. Riskbreaker Jedi Padawan

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    I agree with the red, i origionally did it, adding a bit more red to it but it looked bad, Im gonna keep fooling with it though and see what happens.
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  16. DaftMaul Former TFN Fan Films Staff

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    That's quite interesting RiskBreaker. I can't decide whether I think it's cool, or just plain wrong :) I think I'm going to go for cool though, it certainly adds a new dimension to the saber, what will happen when it moves fast, will there he a 'lag' on one side (the one furthest away from the direction of movement ) like with a real flame? that could look very interesting...
  17. DorkmanScott Manager Emeritus

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    Dooku was rumored to have a flame saber. I guess that didn't happen, but it woulda been cool.

    I'm reserving judgement on lightsabers and their appearance in Episode II until I see the film, to be honest. WE all know how easy it is to change a saber's color in the computer, especially in a good compositing program, ILM may just have been saving it in the trailers.

    I'm probably wrong and it'll look exactly the same, but we'll see.

    M. Scott
  18. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    on the topic of lightsabers, in epi 3 obi-wan vs. annikan/vader will it be blue saber vs. blue saber
  19. Ryan_W VIP

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    What makes you so sure?
  20. agentgonzo Jedi Knight

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    Just a few points:

    1) Anikin vs Obi-Wan won't be blue on blue, as it would just be too confusing for the audience to see what's going on in a fast battle.

    2) Ultra-Violet (or as the yanks prefer to use, the oximoron "black-light") isn't purple, it's outside the visible spectrum of the human eye (OK, for the geeks out there, human anatomy has evolved, and new children now are able to see slightly into the UV spectrum). The purple (or actually violet) that you see is just the tail-end of the visible spectrum - it also gives you cateracts if you look into a UV tube/bulb, so don't do it!

    3) The glow of the lightsabres is an additional light source, and light passes from the background through the outer glow of the lightsabre. Thus, the resutling render of the lightsabre is always brighter than the original background (unless you have roto'd badly, which has happened in fanfilms before, and it looks awful!), thus if you want a black lightsabre, the resulting render would not increase the luminance of the background, and the outerglow of the lightsabre would not appear visible.


    Further techie ramblings now follow, so if you've been bored by point 3 above, then stop reading.

    There is also the problem with moving of the lightsabre. With the standard lightsabre, it has a bright white core, and when moving the lightsabre in a fast twirl/stroke/whatever you fancy, the entire streak of the core in a single frame of the video is pure white, making an almost triangle shape.

    If you use a normal stick and move it fast, and look at a frame of the video, the stick is (obviously blurred, but also) very transparent over the background, as the light going into the camera in the (for film) 24th of a second for the arc of the blade is primarily made up of the background, and then slightly from the moving blade. With the lightsabres, this area is pure white because the core of the lightsabre is so bright that it saturates then entire arc of the blade with white light. IE - the blade of the lightsabre is orders of magniture brighter than then "pure white" on the film itself.

    Now if we think of the black lightsabre, the darkest that you can get is pure black (ie no light - there is no bounds for how bright something can be). Thus when you swing the lightsabre, you will still get the background of the scene being printed onto the film for that frame - you will also get the transparent and blurred black blade, but it will not be able to "black-out" the area of the swing as the white saturated it, as the light has already gone past the blade and into the camera. Therefore, when you start swinging the blade, it will become very faint and hard to see.

    Sorry for the long and technical post!
  21. Thayne_Correlles Jedi Knight

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    Well, it would make chronological sence that they both had blue sabers, as Anakin's saber, the one Ben gives to Luke was blue, and his own saber is also blue in Ep IV, therfore it would be safe to assume that they fight blue on blue. but... then again Yoda didn't train Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon did. leave it to Lucas to sort out.

    Thayne.
  22. poorturtle Jedi Knight

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    that's all well and good agentgonzo, but you still spelled saber wrong.
  23. Fixer808 Jedi Knight

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    Umm, actually both ways are correct. Sabre is the British spelling.
  24. citizen-austin Jedi Knight

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    ah yes, saved by british spelling

    when writing a school paper entitled 'Archeology (i think thats spelled wrong): Our window to early civiliztion from paleolithic man to the emergence of european powers' my teacher told me i had spelled the title to my 29 page paper incorrectly,i realised that i spelled it the british way and hapily noted this to my teacher
  25. Thayne_Correlles Jedi Knight

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    Nope, Sabre is the incorrect spelling, in the united kingdom, when refering to the weapon from Star Wars, it is spelt Saber. In the original script drafts, comics, books, toy's etc... it is spelt Saber.

    Thayne.
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