Amph Who can beat Superman?

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I know these topics are kind of cliche, but I love them.

Which characters in all of fiction can beat Post-Crisis Superman?

My answers would include, but not be limited to:

1. Galactus - Basically unstoppable. A Marvel God.

2. Batman - Dark Knight Returns. 'Nuff said. Pwnage.

3. Darkseid - On a good day, with no story lameness, I think Darkseid could beat Superman

4. Imperiex - Like Galactus, Superman would be an insect to Imperiex

5. An extremely powerful Sith or Jedi - Its debatable whether a lightsaber could cut Superman (most say no) but I think Superman's weakness to magic would constistute a weakness to the Force. Therefore, I think, one of the Top of the Top Jedi could kill Superman with a powerful Force attack.

Any other opinions? Other characters? Any input is welcome.

The One Above All from Marvel.

Arguably the Hulk if he can do what Doomsday did.

Nah, Superman has thrashed the Hulk in every fight they have had.

I agree with your other choice though.

Moth. Crawl into his brain, eat from within, and you're in very serious trouble indeed.

My comics knowledge isn't that expansive, but i could see hyperion from JMS's supreme power, the sentry, and the dark pheonix probably givng him a run for his money.

Spiderman

Superman vs. Batman comes down to who wants to win the most and who gets the drop on whom. Batman has no chance in a straight up fight, but he never goes anywhere near Superman without making sure his tactical options are open.

Wonder Woman has beaten Superman too.

This reminds me of a joke that was old when my father was young:

"You got a match?"

"Not since Superman died."

Haven't read much Superman but I was wondering what sort of defenses he has against psychic attacks? Could Prof. X just turn off his brain if he wanted to?

Supes moves faster than thought. However he is theoretically susceptible to attacks from someone like Xavier.

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LOL!!!

like this would ever really happen

Spiderman and the Hulk have advanced strength, but its not on the same level as Superman's, which is basically infinite.

I remember reading that Superman was vulnerable to someone with magic based powers so they have a chance, the only person I can think of like that off the top of my head is Captain Marvel. I also remember reading that Supergirl was supposed to have the potential to be more powerful then Superman, but I can't remember if that was put to the test.

Superman isn't actually weak toward magic attacks, it's just he has no defense against them. So a spell that effects a normal person would do the same thing against him.

And the Hulk wouldn't be able to beat Superman. His starting strength isn't high enough, and by the time he gets mad enough to go toe to toe with him, he'd be thrown into space.

Stop using DKR as a reference to Batman beating Superman. Why does everyone forget that throughout that whole fight, Supes wasn't trying? And even when he was, he has trying to not kill Bats.

And Spawn can't take him because Spawn sucks.

Darkseid could beat him because Darkseid can take ANYONE.

Correct

Correct.

Sorry buddy...one of the best moments ever in comics. It is, and will always be, the definitive statement on Batman vs. Superman.

I'd like to think so.

Hmmm, so you just gloss over the facts Soontir posts because you want Batman to win, huh?

Like in Hush, when Batman knows Superman isn't trying?

Superman will womp Batman unless Batman prepares, and it's only because Superman won't thrash Batman witless. Not because he *can't*.

E_S

I challenge anyone to tell me how Kent's clothes are also bulletproof in movies, when only his body is. Does that mean his beard and hair is damage proof too?

Short answer, movie people are stupid.

Comic answer.

"The most common explanations for his invulnerability are Superman having a super-dense molecular structure and/or a supercharged bioelectric "aura" which acts as an invisible "force field" around his body within a few millimeters from his skin, and presumably within his body as well. The proximity of this field to his skin means that loose clothes, for example, may be burned off of him, while cloth that is close to his body is protected by the "aura;" This phenomenon is sometimes cited as Superman's reason for wearing a skin-tight bodysuit. It is sometimes implied that he can unconsciously extend this field to an undetermined extent to protect a greater area, allowing him to carry huge objects within the Earth's atmosphere and without gravity or inertia tearing them apart around his human-sized hands."

Superman isnt invincible so technichally speaking anyone could beat him. I like the idea of a Monte Cristo-ish character like Batman being able to do it even though Supes is my main man in the comics.

What of Gladiator, of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard?

Maybe couldn't beat him, but perhaps it would end up a draw?

Sure, if Superman and Batman were thrust together, and had to fight to the death, with no prior knowledge, yeah, Batman would have no chance.

But, Frank Miller's work remains the definitive statement on the issue. Batman's strengths (wealth, ingenuity, intelligence) allow him to outsmart and physically beat Superman.

And, there are no "facts" on the issue, whoever would win is whoever the story writers and editors say would win. In this case (and I think 1-2 others) Batman has got what it takes to beat Superman.

Just like with the Incredible Hulk. You can argue what you want, but the Hulk has lost to Superman more than once in stories.