Amph Who can beat Superman?

ya, what? If there was a SW 7, and there was someone behind it all above the Emperor, it would be Lex Luthor.

 

I concur. While Palpatine is too busy plotting, Superman is busy putting his ass in the Phantom Zone.

 

Yes, but Palpatine's advantage would be that Superman would be unaware of who he is.

We all know that Superman isn't exactly operating at the highest intellectual level. If Batman, with limited resources, could devise a secret plan to defeat Superman, it only stands to reason that Palpatine, with the resources of a Galactic Empire at his disposal could accomplish something easily grander.

BTW, Lex Luthor blows as a bad guy, just to put it out there.

 

If you were talking about the Lex Luthor from the movies, I might just agree with you, but the Lex Luthor from the comics and cartoons does not blow as a villain.

 

Well hello there if it isn't ******* Darkseid. Oh look, Superman is beating the **** out of him and still losing. I do wish there was someone who had the sheer force of will to beat the God of Apocalypse with a ******* deal.

 

This thread is getting me a bit interested in superman. What's a fairly current good superman graphic novel?

 

Up Up and Away. Superman for all seasons.

 

Hate to tell you, but when Superman regained his powers in "Up, Up & Away", he found that his senses and his intelligence increased. He can process information much faster. He's not the super genius that he was in the Silver and Bronze Age, but he's come a long ways from before. Batman only devised a plan to beat Superman, because Superman told him to do so, should he ever become a danger again, as he told him at the end of "Dark Knight Over Metropolis." That's why Batman had the Kryptonite ring, why he had the JLA protocols and why he created Brother Eye.


And Lex has done more than his film counter part. Such as kill and injure dozens all because he couldn't become a Metahuman, all just because he could.

-Man Of Steel volumes one through five
-For All Seasons
-Exiled
-Eradication
-Justice League Elite featuring Action Comics #775
-Up, Up & Away
-JLA: Rock Of Ages

To name a few.

 

Also American Dreams is the book with the Supes fighting angels.

 

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Yeah, that JLA two parter was one of the best. Especially what Flash said in relation to their conversation in issue six.

 

Thats because Grant Morrison is a golden god.

 

Sinister on the video posted above superman is vulnerable to electricity.

 

That's animated continuity. Not the same as comic continuity.

 

You never loose...

I still think a good jedi can be a good match for superman. Take into consideration the jedi's power on the cartoon's and seeing as superman was a cartoon first... well we can see.

 

The Clone Wars animated series is exaggerated. And the DCAU is not continuity to the comics. Even still, Superman will always beat a Force user ten times out of ten. He's faster, stronger, invulernable and just plain badassed.

 

Not sure where this information comes from but to the best of my knowledge the concept of Superman as developed by Seigel and Shuster appeared first as a villian in their self published work "Science Fiction", issue 3 as a story called "Reign of the Superman" (1933) and re-developed into the duel personality Superman/Clark Kent for Action Comics 1 in 1938.

The First cartoon to feature Superman were the Max Fleicher Studios series in 1941, though a radio drama existed prior to that as well, staring Budd Collyer (who also did the voice for the animated shorts).

 

Correct on all accounts. And none of the animated bits of continuity count as part of the official history. The same way as not all of the eu is counted by George Lucas. Much less a number of the fans. There's just no way about it. Superman can kick Anakin's ass ten ways from Sunday. Superman's older, wiser, calmer, stronger, faster, tougher and smarter.

 

The only way a Force user could defeat Superman was if he was a Sith, and a very powerful Sith. We will say Darth Vader if he never got chopped to pieces by Obi-wan. We have to give him complete understanding of the Force and Sith powers. He also must be a master and be in full control. Now what he has too do is strike quickly. The Force, is part of everything, even Superman (if you know he is in the Star Wars universe). Anakin would have to use all his Force power to attack Superman as quickly as possible. He would have use the force to basically attack superman from within, slowly destroying his organs. If the force is everywhere, he should be able to crush them no matter how invunerable Superman is too normal attack. The power too with stand Bullets should be nothing to compared to the power of the force. However, if Vader doesn't end this quickly he will lose, cause basically one hit from Superman at full power would end this. The reason I said it had to be a Sith is because, the only way for a force user to beat him would too be evil like that.

 

Seriously, stop it.

Supes is on a whole nother dimension of power from anything fro Star Wars.

No SW Deus Ex Machina could allow anyone from that dimension a chance at beating Superman.

 

The Death Star, or Kryptonite.

Plus, we dunno if Superman is vulnerable to the Force in the same way he is vulnerable to magic.

 

Amen, brother... A batallion of Jedi might last about 8 seconds, but nothing they could possibly do would harm Supes, for very long atleast...

 

The Death Star? Yeah, he's flown through the sun and taken a blast from Darkseid's Omega Effect. I think that trumps the Death Star. Besides, the damn thing telegraphs itself as it's firing. He'd have enough warning to get out of the way. It can only fire one shot at a time. Time enough to fly in at superspeed and disable the laser. Kryptonite is the only chance and it's rather difficult to come by.

The Force is energy that can be directed. But the energy is largely released through telekenisis. Force shove cannot stop him. Lightning doesn't do a whole hellva lot against him unless it's coming from Captain Marvel or Black Adam. And that's because it's magical based.

It wouldn't be fatal like Palpatine vs the Posse, but it'd be just as quick. About the only way a Force user would have a chance is if they were able to connect to the Speed Force, which the Flashes use. The Flashes can outrace Superman via the Speed Force. Unfortunately, this ain't happening as only Bart Allen can tap into it now. All of it seems to be within him and he can barely control it like before.

 

Yeah, but even the speedsters landing 10,000 punches on Supes isn't going to do a whole lot of damage. Assuming the Force-users were able to tap into the Speed Force, I seriously doubt a lightsaber would pierce Supes since fire and lasers really have no effect, unless the crystal happened to be Kryptonite... now that would be interesting.

 

The one thing that Superman does lack that would give a Jedi benifit is the intuition of the Force. Superman may be faster, but a Jedi would know where he's going to be before he gets there. And don't forget, Jedi can be pretty fast as well, if need be.

I've often though about this senario. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be a stalemate. It really depends on how suseptable to the Force Superman is. If a force user could simply choke him to death, then you know, game's over.

What would be more interesting, I think, would be Superman and a Jedi teaming up. Now THAT would be an undefeatable duo.

 

A kryptonite crystal saber?


Hmmm, that is damn intriqueing. The blade would be an odd tinge of green...


*writes fanfic*