PT who could have defeated/overthrown palpatine?

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  1. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    What's on screen is Mace kicking Palpatine basically in the face. What's not on screen is Palpatine anticipating that and/or throwing the lightsaber fight. The original version shows that Lucas saw no need to have Palpatine put on a show for Anakin at that point. So why would he require such a thing in the final version?

    As I see it there are but two possibilities:

    1) Assumptions on what you feel is palatable, based on preferences expressed in your posts, are right on the money.
    2) Or they aren't, meaning your posts are expressing a position you actually don't find palatable.

    So what are the allegedly regrettable consequences here? A scene giving Mace a win that you don't agree with?
    Last edited by Arawn_Fenn, Feb 10, 2013
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  2. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    I think it could have been the combined powers of Darth Vader and Luke, but possibly only if Luke crossed over to the Dark Side. The dedicated training by Yoda was to ensure that he could do it without that happening but he cut the training short. In some ways Luke's lack of early Jedi training was a benefit but in others it was not (compassion for friends)
    I must be the only person who never put any thought into whether or not Mace Windu was defeating Palpatine before Anakin arrived.
    Last edited by Bobatron, Feb 10, 2013
  3. Lazy Storm Trooper Force Ghost

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    My eyes hurt now.
  4. Chainmail_Jedi Jedi Master

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    The Emperor of Mankind (40k)
  5. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Enough with the sideshow, the OP is looking for a two man strike team... not a debate about whether or not Sidious threw the fight, the original intent of Lucas or if Anakin even needed to be there.
    Last edited by SithStarSlayer, Feb 11, 2013
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  6. GODLIKE Jedi Padawan

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    Palpatine wouldn't stand a chance against a young Yoda
  7. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    Mace and Yoda
    Yoda and Anakin
    Mace and Anakin

    I love how people still think Sidious threw the fight with Mace. lol
  8. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't get it either...everyone is convinced he lost on purpose. I don't think even Palpatine had enough skill to put on a ruse while dueling MACE FREAKING WINDU. If he even thought twice about something else Windu would have sliced him in half. Hell he almost lost to Yoda as well why do people think he is so all powerful?
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  9. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Probably because of his EU-incarnation as basically "god of evil". I prefer the more humane film version too. EU Palps reeks of wish fulfilment.
  10. Garrett Atkins Jedi Grand Master

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    Probably anyone who had common sense.

    Did you happen to miss my post a few spots up above yours? Or did you choose to ignore it? In your UR-thread, you were told to review the TOS by another moderator and by the look of this post, it seems to me that you ignored that advice as well. FWIW: I suggest you rethink the way you post in this forum, or your time here will be shorter than you expected. Sx3
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  11. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Common, yes. Sense, not so much.
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  12. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    That was Dark Empire Palpatine, when he thought he found immortality via clone bodies. Little did he know that his DNA source was tainted.
    Last edited by rumsmuggler, Feb 13, 2013
  13. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    I agree.
  14. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  15. Lord Sinister Jedi Youngling

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  16. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Let's look what Sidious does with his time: manipulating senators, playing chancellor of the republic, manipulating Anakin Skywalker, giving orders to the CIS.
    Do you think he has a lot of time for lightsaber combat training?
  17. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Well he trained Darth Maul, was Dooku's Master for quite some time, and dueled Yoda to a standstill. So yeah, I think he got in his lightsaber homework at some point.
  18. EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost

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    Yoda and Mace
    Yoda and Obi-Wan
    Mace and Obi-Wan
    Yoda and Anakin
    Mace and Anakin


    I actually don't think Anakin and Obi-Wan would be able to take down Sidious by themselves. The Jedi Order had two that were head and shoulders above the rest: Yoda and Mace Windu. Only with one of them present would a two man strike team stand a chance, otherwise it would take a larger number.
  19. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    Saesee Tinn and Agen Kolar.
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  20. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Sure, he is an okay swordsman, but he is definitely not better than Mace Windu who has the opportunity to train whenever he feels like it. Palps lost against Mace after all.
    And we shouldn't forget he trained Maul before he became chancellor of the republic (a time-consuming job I'd think) and not after.
  21. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    I disagree. If there's one thing stressed by ROTS, it's that Anakin and Obi-Wan were the ultimate team and could fight almost as one. With Obi-Wan's defensive skills and Anakin's raw power I think they would have been a match for Sidious.
  22. K'Kruhk Force Ghost

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    Obi-Wan got knocked out when they fought together against Dooku. They would not have done better together against Sidious.
  23. Sistros Force Ghost

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    Yoda and Mace

    Dooku and Anakin
    Last edited by Sistros, Feb 19, 2013
  24. Jabba_The_Hutt_123 Force Ghost

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    A mix of Yoda, Dooku, Mace could probably do it. Maybe Dooku and Mace would struggle if Palpatine went force focus.
    Yoda/Mace with Anakin could also do it, or again Mace Anakin may struggle if Palpatine went all force.
  25. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't buy it.
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