Who is Rox, and why has he stolen our banner?

Discussion in 'FanForce Communications' started by toochilled, Aug 2, 2002.

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  1. Red_Oktobur Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Dec 7, 2001
    star 6
    Way to go, Cole! :D

    I don't post at the FFUK, but I think Rox should have at least asked before taking it down. [face_plain]
  2. Rox Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Nov 24, 2000
    star 6
    "That "rude and vulgar" catchphrase is an ADVERT SLOGAN in England for the lager "Castlemaine XXXX".

    I suggest that to come bursting into the UK forum with no idea about what is being "culturally referenced" is ridiculous."


    I may be a advert slogan but it is still unexceptable. We have rules here for a reason, I'm just the first to go through with enforcing it. The fact that these boards are family friendly in nature is why the advert slogan is not acceptable. Yes it may be a widely used ad campaign but that doesn't mean it is family friendly.

    I will agree with everyone that some words mean different things to different cultures. The whole point of that ad campaign was to push the line on how far you can go in advertising. It's what all good advertisers do.
  3. winky32 Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jul 30, 2002
    Rox, you're a frikkin gimp.

    Thanks for ruining our home with your prim sensibilities and small (but bloody) minded attitude.

  4. Charis Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jun 29, 2002
    star 6
    Hay Winky, it's a nice chance to redecorate the place.

    Why don't you pop over to the forum and put in a design for the new banner? There are some interesting designs - including one based on the Carlsberg adverts which is in keeping with the tradition of beer slogans.
  5. LadyVader81 Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jan 2, 2001
    star 6
    The UK boards needed a clean start and now we will have one. People should think of the positive side of having the banner taken down rather than just the negative.
  6. winky32 Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jul 30, 2002
    thanks for the offer charis :) but I just popped in to see where all this had gotten to now.

    I don't think I will be coming back to the UK boards now, everone has moved on. It's a good opportunity for you guys to start something fresh though :)
  7. Charis Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jun 29, 2002
    star 6
    Thanks Winky

    I think it's a shame about the banner too, but a new start would be good. Hope you find somewhere else you can call home :)

    Pay us a visit from time to time. Yoshi's is always open.
  8. UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 18, 1998
    star 4
    Last point on a dead subject.

    "but it is still unexceptable."

    No, it's not. That advert was shown at anytime to any audience with no restrictions.

    "The actual dialogue was spoken as "...doesn't give a Four X about anything else".

    This is not the JC Proper, where there are an amporphous set of posters of indistinct nationality. Anywhere you encourage members of the same culture to gather you will find that they will inevitably be talking and referencing there lives and Media/Society/Advertising around them.

    Because you take it out of context, (as you don't know the context), and then judge it "non-family" friendly is, to be fair, ridiculous.

    An over the top extreme example would be, would you go into a Pakistan Fanforce Forum and trample over their Culture with your American/Christian Sensibilities?

    A British MOD should have made the judgement on it, and whether in terms of the climate of British Standards it was wrong.

    Now, it could be said that the FFUK Forum was for months "too adult" in daily content, but you pick the only target that is so mild that it could appear in any film/book/TV without restriction!

    Congratulations, you have performed a completely pointless moderating act.

    UKS

  9. Charis Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jun 29, 2002
    star 6
    UKS

    It's time to call it a day and let Rox get on with other things. It's done and debating how it was done and why it was done cannot undo it. There have been enough posts both on here and on the British Isles forum on the subject.

    Perhaps this thread should be locked please.
  10. UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 18, 1998
    star 4
    "It's done and debating how it was done and why it was done cannot undo it. "

    No, that's completely the wrong attitude to take.

    We don't want it undone. But it would be nice to have "procedures" put in place so this thing DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

    Allow regional mods to mod.

    And I believe that maybe Rox owes an apology to the forum.

    That's when it is at an end.

    UKS

  11. LadyVader81 Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jan 2, 2001
    star 6
    Rox is actually allowed to come in and do what he has done we may not like it but it is allowed. Even if Rox hadn't the people who have left have taken the banner anyway and probably would have so it doesn't make much of a difference we would not have a banner either way.
  12. toochilled Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Oct 17, 2000
    star 5
    I would say that Rox is not allowed to do what he did. Discussing with one mod, rather then polling in the mod forum (ofh) is very bad practice.
    Additionally I swould propose that such a sudden and unwelcome / unfriendly move is very un-family friendly....
  13. GIMER Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Nov 15, 2000
    star 6
    Sorry, I don't believe he owes anyone an apology for removing that.

    Regardless of what the in-joke may be about that banner, anyone who looks at it without knowing the in-joke sees it as a hidden swear word.
    (That probably what the advertizing company was going for as well.)

    If it's an alcohol advertizement, well we could go there too about promoting alcohol, which this board also frowns upon.

    And as far as copyright information goes, the creator of the banner owns that image. Someone else may own the original images, and someone else may own the copyright to names used, but the creator owns the modified image. In my digital arts classes, they had articles talking about that the total image must be 50% changed from the original to make it a new original.

    The creator of the banner may be in violation of copyright laws, but that doesn't say that TF.N has rights to use it if the creator asks that it be removed.

    Noone signs any paperwork giving their copyrights away when they submit to TF.N


    Now if you want to take that image and modify it for your own use... you would have just as much right as the original creator did.

    Don't worry about the fanny thing. Nobody says that anymore unless they are talking about Fanny Brice.
  14. toochilled Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Oct 17, 2000
    star 5
    ''Don't worry about the fanny thing. ''

    In that case, I submit the following:

    Don't worry about the XXXX thing.

    Thankyou.
  15. Darth_Asabrush Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    May 21, 2000
    star 5
    I think there need to be some form of guidelines set up here. There definately needs to be some cultural understanding of the board.

    As a Brit I accept that somethings said on an American board mean rude things to my British ears but that is down to a difference of understanding of the terms and words.

    The key point here is that Fan Force is a set of communities. These communities are going to have different cultural reference points and "in jokes" even close cultures such as the US and UK. We therefore must accept that sometimes we will have misunderstandings and when this happens the local or regional mod should have a large input in to any decision made. It cannot be right for mods to "Americanise" a culturally different board beyond the legal obligations of having an American server resctricted by US laws.

    However, I think it's time to move on. Let's get a new banner and icon and let things settle down.
  16. paparazziboy Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    May 9, 2001
    These communities are going to have different cultural reference points and "in jokes" even close cultures such as the US and UK.

    That's right. otherwise we would all think that americans are rude and arrogant, whereas, because we have open minds and not so insular in the UK, we know it is just your naievity and small mindedness.
  17. DarthJurist Admin Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Dec 10, 2000
    star 5
    That's right. Otherwise we would all think that Americans are rude and arrogant, whereas, because we have open minds and not so insular in the UK, we know it is just your naivety and small mindedness.

    Oh, yes, that's the way to win this argument, by making sweeping judgmental statements against the majority of people that post on the board (and who own these boards, btw). While I am sympathetic your situation, such comments don't help. Let's stay on the high road and keep it civil, m'kay?

    In general, I agree with Darth_Asabrush, Fan Force groups are communities, more so than other 'communities' on this board. Taking away the banner without even a consultation, warning or chance to change it violates the whole spirit of the Fan Force structure, IMHO. Why should I or anyone else bother spending time here and building a local identity or community, when that identity can spontaneously altered?

    It is just a banner, yes, and as has been stated on these boards numerous times, these are private boards, and we must abide by the rules set out by those that run them. However, I would hope that Fan Force Management would recognize the special communities they have worked so hard to build and foster, and would give those communities the respect they deserve.

    ~H~
  18. Rox Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Nov 24, 2000
    star 6
    "I would hope that Fan Force Management would recognize the special communities they have worked so hard to build and foster, and would give those communities the respect they deserve."

    I do, but the banner has been getting complaints for months. I didn't ask any of you for one simple reason. You are not affiliated with the group that made that banner. They left and started thier own website and message board. Now if that banner was for your group then I would have sent your CR a PM about it and had her tell you about it coming down. My point is start your own community and get a fresh start.
  19. UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 18, 1998
    star 4

    Err.. toochilled is one of the mods at FFUK Forums.

    Anyway, no one wants the Banner back. They just want your assurance that next time you "Mod" them/us, you will do it with a little more repect and tact, and maybe, you could admit that the reasoning behind the banner being removed could have been a little flawed via your own expectations.

    Reasonable?

    UKS
  20. Commander Antilles Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jul 21, 1999
    star 6
    I do, but the banner has been getting complaints for months.

    It has? No one said anything to me. ?[face_plain]


    Err.. toochilled is one of the mods at FFUK Forums.

    He is? ?[face_plain]
  21. Az-Azzameen Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    May 24, 2002
    star 5
    Whats done is done.

    The FFUK group have taken their intellectual property, which is their right and used it on their own forum.

    Here at FF British Isles we are in the process of creating a new banner. I hope that the posters in this forum can help us to create a new and representative banner.

    Thanks.
  22. UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 18, 1998
    star 4

    Sorry CA, Toochilled made a comment to me on the FFUK Boards about banning and I saw him talk about bandwidth costs.

    I just assumed.

    So get back there and get someone to mod him to stop me looking silly!

    :p

    UKS
  23. Rox Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Nov 24, 2000
    star 6
    My actions were rushed, I admit that. If I would have said something in advance none of this would have happened I'm sure. This topic is closed.
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