Discussion in 'Archive: Census and Games' started by General Kenobi, Feb 9, 2003.
I had to leave a few tough ones off this list.
I picked Walter Johnson. Overall, statistically, he's the best, often playing for bad teams. Most shutouts ever. I know it's hard to compare "dead-ball era" numbers to more modern pitchers.
Ryan had a remarkable career and may have been the toughest to hit, but he had control problems and didn't win as much as many thought he should have (again, played for some poor teams).
Maybe Gibson at his peak (1967-68) was the toughest.
Have to go with Pedro.
He's completely dominant in an era dominated by offense. Of all active starters, he's the only one in the top 100 in all time career ERA (56). And when compared to the league average his ERA is by far the best all time.
I know it's still relatively early in his career, but he has already assured himself a spot in the hall of fame, no question.
Had to go with Clemens on this one. He's been a great pitcher in three decades and has won everywhere he's gone. His stats aren't bad, either.
Oh and...Nolan Ryan
Nolan Ryan, without a shadow of a doubt.
Well, Clemens is probably moving up on my list.
I'll stay with Walter Johnson for now though.
Nolan Ryan but if Mark Prior does what he does consitantly every year he has a great chance of bieng the best. In another 13 years or so.
If you can't figure out who I voted for, I ought to smack you.
Nolan Ryan is by far and away one of the most domineering and powerful pitchers of all time. I don't know if 100000000 strikeouts equates to being the greatest of all time (his ~5-3 career K/BB ratio isn't particularly spectacular, nor is his 3.19 career ERA) but boy, did he dominate. SEVEN no-hitters. An absolute crapload of 300+ strikeout seasons. And I believe he was a part of the 1969 Mets championship team.
I thought long and hard about Walter Johnson. His 110 shutouts, 3,000+ strikeouts, and 2.17 career ERA look all that more impressive because of the fact that he didn't have the luxury of having 5 days of rest.
Why did I vote for Greg Maddux then? Aside from the fact that he had just surpassed Cy Young's record of consecutive 15+ win seasons, his stretch from 1992-1995 was just incredible. A starting pitcher with a sub-2.00 ERA for an entire season is almost unheard of in this day of age. The other big reason I voted for him is that he's remarkably consistent. A 15-win, 3.00 ERA season is almost automatic for him.
Nolan Ryan.I play baseball myself.Not MLB.
Walter Johnson - guy was a consistent winner (second all-time in wins) for a team that was lousy most of the time. He was also a class guy too.
When he retires, I think Pedro Martinez would deserve some consideration.
Walter Johnson. It's a close call with the rest, but when you win 400 games spending your career with perpetual losers like the Senators, that's a definite edge.
He didn't even throw over 90, and he was the most dominant pitcher during the steroid era.